Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:18:25 -0400
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From: McGrath Edward J <Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US>
Subject: Re: The Lab PPE Excuse List
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Believe it or not, often in K-12 academia (at least in our district) our
students sometimes have the opposite response.

1)  some students demand gloves regardless of what we're doing.  Then,
they change them 2-3 times in a lab session (even if they aren't working
with chemicals)

2)  Some students won't take the goggles or aprons off after lab.  I
guess they "look like scientists"

3)  One of our prouder moments--I came to visit a seventh grade teacher
in our district.  A student greets me at the door with a pair of goggles
and says, "you have to put these on before you come in."  I did so,
thanked the student, and said to the teacher (who was also wearing
goggles) "Please give this person five points of extra credit for

4)  The food and gum rule--rather than tell them they could be poisoned,
we tell the students they could get diarrhea.  It is indeed a
possibility, and it's one that most teenagers find offensive enough to
avoid at all costs.

Now I have a question about goggle cabinets.  We disinfect our goggles
with 15 minutes of exposure to UV light.  But in all honesty--is there
any record of a student contracting conjunctivitis from goggles?  It
seems the goggle cabinet is more of a "feel good" measure.  I'm
surprised we aren't expected to disinfect microscope eyepieces--seems
that would be a more likely fomite for conjunctivitis.  Thoughts?

Edward J. McGrath
Science Supervisor
Red Clay Consolidated School District
office:  (302) 552-3768
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Subject: [DCHAS-L] The Lab PPE Excuse List

This was taken as a poll from the DCHAS listserve for PPE excuses from
this discussion string:  [DCHAS-L] 3 Re: [DCHAS-L] GLOVES IN STUDENT

I'm sure this is just a tip-of-the-iceberg list; send me some more and
I'll keep the list going.  

Eric Clark, MS, CCHO, CHMM, Safety Officer Los Angeles County Public
Health Lab 

Here's what we have so far:  

General PPE 
It is too hot to wear all of the PPE, Can I just wear this and this.  
Why are you always hassling me?  

Then there are the people who apply lip balm because it is not make-up,
which may not be applied in lab, and the people who maintain the cough
drops are different from food, which may not be eaten in lab.  
I'm not eating - it's Excedrin.  Gees!  Can't even take medicine
around here.   

Encountered repeatedly, comes from students who are wearing open-toed
footwear:  But, I'm wearing socks.  
I don't have any closed-toe shoes that go with this outfit.  

Safety goggles
I can't breathe with something over my face.  
My dad mixes chemicals on the farm and he doesn't use them.  
That's a stupid rule.  
I can get head lice because someone else wore them.
I have my splash goggles on - [he had them around his neck].
I was only watching the transfer operation.  
I am only in the area that I might be exposed for one minute. 
I just got a nose job and the doctor says I can't wear them (goggles). 

It'll mess up my hair.  
They're all scratched up.  
They're too expensive at the bookstore (so use one from the box of
"house goggles") I don't want to get pink-eye.  

Lab aprons 
It's hot.   
My clothes are not that good.   
It's too big; it's too long {that's why we always have multiple
My dad mixes chemicals on the farm and he doesn't wear one. 
My friends will laugh at me because I look stupid. 
It's too hot to wear a lab coat.  

I have a latex allergy. 
My hands sweat too much. 
They don't fit. 
They will melt to my skin. 
I might get something inside them and then they won't help me.
I can't see well with them on (gloves). 

>>> List Moderator  3/9/2010 7:15 PM >>>
From: ACTSNYC**At_Symbol_Here** 
Date: March 9, 2010 3:59:05 PM EST


I'd like to see the form.  I've trained in England and have used their
risk assessment matrix and wish we used it over here.  And the nicest
thing about their form is that you sign the bottom.  So if a project
goes forward, you are the person that is atesting that in your opinion
the risk, with the precautions you have suggested is minimal.

Monona Rossol

From: "Moorefield, Mubetcel" 
Date: March 9, 2010 4:09:04 PM EST

While some of us are in process of lecturing to other people I would
like to jump in and point out that what they say may also be incorrect. 
Here is an example: Is water hazardous?  No? Well, try putting it on a
water reactive material.  

I would like my comment also to be considered when hazard assessment
for a chemical is made 1 trough 5.  Since we don't purchase the
chemicals to accessorize our labs, their hazard should be assessed
depending on where they are used and where (next to which chemical) they
are stored.


From: mtkleinm**At_Symbol_Here** 
Date: March 9, 2010 6:48:54 PM EST

You might want to include PPG and waste disposal recommendations too.
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