Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:35:13 -0400
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Subject: Re: pregnant student in chemistry lab
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Dr. Schmidt- Nebril , 

I am a methods development chemist and working in the lab as well while 
pregnant in 1995. The role of the CHP in a scientifically literate lab 
setting is to allow the knowledgeable chemist and the management to 
determine how to manage the lab situation so that she can continue her 
work. In my case,. my manager was going to force me, the only degreed 
chemist in the lab with higher level responsibilities, to not work in the 
lab at all, even with pH meters!!  I brought the MSDS and work information 
to the company's occupational physician and my own internist , and they 
agreed with me that the laboratory was safe for me to work in. My daughter 
was born quite healthy. 

As Ms. Harrington pointed out,  if the exposure is not safe for a pregnant 
woman, it is not safe for anyone. And after all, there is  teratogenic and 
mutagenic infornation in the MSDS. As for the OSHA decision, apparently my 
manager (retired from the company) was not aware of it at the time. 

Ujjvala (Vaiju) Bagal
Specialist, Methods Development
Phone: 01-912-964-9050 ext.53236
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For my courses if a student is pregnant I do not allow them to participate 
in lab at all but rather set up "Dry" labs or use computer virtual labs in 
place of the real thing.  The unborn fetus is so susceptible why take a 
risk especially when all or most of the exposure limits are based on 
adults.  I also am biased on this from my own experience of being pregnant 
and performing lab work as a development chemist.  I did have unexplained 
issues with both of my pregnancies years ago and can't help but feel that 
my exposure to chemicals may have contributed.  I'd rather be safe then 
sorry with a student or see if they can arrange to take the class at a 
later date.

Kathleen Schmidt-Nebril, NRCC-CHO
Chemistry Division Department of Natural Science
Dominican University
River Forest, IL 60305
708-524-6533


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From: DCHAS-L Discussion List on behalf of David C. Finster
Sent: Mon 8/9/2010 1:54 PM
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Subject: [DCHAS-L] pregnant student in chemistry lab
 
I am aware that a student who will be taking a general chemistry course 
this fall is pregnant.  I am writing to the list to seek advice about how 
to best handle this circumstance (assuming that one of the options - not 
taking the course - is not a preferred option).

(I have checked the D-CHAS archives, and other sources, and found no 
particularly helpful answers to this question.  This is not really a CHP 
matter since the student is not an employee - although we ordinarly use 
our CHP as the safety document for students, too.)

So far as I know (but I can check this to be certain) none of the 
chemicals used in our general chemistry labs are teratogens.  Thus, my 
initial suggested course of action is that the student participate in all 
of the labs experiments (using all of the PPE at all times that is 
recommended for all students.)  We rarely use chemical hoods in this 
particular course since most of the chemicals we use present no 
significant inhalation risk.  (We use hoods when there is an inhalation 
risk.)

If there is some chemical that is, or is suspected to be, a teratogen, I 
would advise the student to skip that lab (and have the instructor 
determine how to do this without any penalty to the student).

The pathway suggested above seems reasonable and prudent to me.  However, 
since we live in a world where the consideration of worst-case scenarios 
is wise and legally prudent, it seems to me that having the student 
consult with her physician (with a complete list of chemicals "in hand") 
and having the physician and/or student "sign off" on some reasonable 
statement in advance seems smart.  Since I would not expect a physician to 
be familiar with the teratogenic effects of "all chemicals", I would also 
present the physician with a detailed list of the known or suspected 
effects of each chemical (extracted from TOXNET) with regard to being 
handled while pregnant.

The advice and experience of the D-CHAS group is welcome.

Dave

David C. Finster
Professor of Chemistry
University Chemical Hygiene Officer
Department of Chemistry
Wittenberg University
dfinster**At_Symbol_Here**wittenberg.edu



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