Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:25:00 EDT
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Subject: Re: 2 more RE: [DCHAS-L] 6 re: SAFETY

Robin & Stefan,

I read your posts and googled your profiles.  Robin, I was sad not to see a long list of publications and books.  You are a hell of a writer.  I'm going to assume that your post was not the first time you laid out this list of problems because you did it so well.

Stephen, you wrote the post right after Robin.  I read your 2004 CH&S article which was super.  (I don't know if you are aware that your recent real estate transaction also comes up when your name is googled--unless there is another person with your name--not too likely.)

So here we have two excellent writers with excellent safety credentials and varied back grounds.  I'd like to propose you collaborate on an article.  And start by looking at those two posts for the theme.   Robin clearly lays out reasons that progress in academic lab safety moves glacially.   Stephan lays out the reasons that industry has more control of lab personnel than schools do.

I'd like to see your collective ideas on what schools can do to get more control over students and faculty.   For example, since it is not easy to fire a teacher and simple to fire an employee, what other kinds of leverage should school administrators have to enforce safety rules?  And what strategies can be employed to enforce compliance on students? 

In the arts, some schools use lowering grades, taking away studio time (which can actually result in postponing graduation), and confiscating any materials that are not on the hazcom inventory that they buy and bring in on their own. But these are our solutions.  They may not fit your labs. 

At least think on this.

Yenta Monona

In a message dated 4/19/2011 8:57:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stefan.w**At_Symbol_Here**UCONN.EDU writes:

In response to Roger McClellan=E2=80=99s comments:   Understand that in order for a =E2=80=9Cculture=E2=80=9D of safety to take hold,  one must begin with an educated (in safety) faculty and staff.     I=E2=80=99ll admit that my most safety conscious researchers are those that come from industry.  SNIP

In a message dated 4/19/2011 8:02:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rstuartcih**At_Symbol_Here**ME.COM writes:

From: Robin M. Izzo <rmizzo**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>


I agree that the rate of positive cultural change in universities is slow.
When he was president of Princeton University, former President Woodrow
Wilson said, "effecting change at a university is like trying to move a
graveyard."  And that was 100 years ago.   SNIP

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