From: kauletta**At_Symbol_Here**NOTES.CC.SUNYSB.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] DCHAS-L Digest - 29 Mar 2012 to 30 Mar 2012 (#2012-68)
Date: April 3, 2012 9:22:43 AM EDT
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Very well thought out!

I attended our local ASSE PDC last week and listened to Pamela Ferrante Walaski talk about Risk & Crisis Communications (she also has a book). She gave an excellent talk & discussed that risk communications is really what we do during all of our safety training. Her example was that if people were not wearing their eye protection, then maybe we did not provide the information for them to understand the risk of not wearing them.

Sounds like the egg demo would do it!

Kim Gates Auletta
Lab Safety Specialist
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From:        Mary Beth Mulcahy <mulcahy.marybeth**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
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Date:        04/03/2012 09:18 AM
Subject:        Re: [DCHAS-L] DCHAS-L Digest - 29 Mar 2012 to 30 Mar 2012 (#2012-68)
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The conversation on eye protection and standards makes me think about
a topic dealt with often in CSB investigations, that is "human
factors" or "human errors." I have seen human errors boiled down to
two types, intentional (I choose not to wear safety googles) or
unintentional (I do not know about splash protection). Human beings
don't usually think about the safety regulations that govern their
activities, so it becomes very important that the safety management
systems remove what motivates the intentional decisions their
employees are making or educate workers to help them understand the
unintentional decisions they are making.

What I really mean to do by this post is spark a conversation that
addressed the human factor of the problem, so, here are my thoughts on
intentional or unintentional decisions to were eye protection:

Intentional:   I will say that in grad school the reason I often times
chose not to wear safety googles was because I wear prescription
glasses and the awkward, clunky plastic ones in the lab did not fit
well over my glasses, constantly fogged up, and cut into my face. If
comfortable googles had been available to me I think I would have worn
them (at least more often) while I grad school. Have others found that
comfortable eye wear has increased its usage?

Unintentional:  After grad school I spent a year teaching high school
chemistry and I found a safety demonstration for what acid could do to
your eye. I don't remember what acid I used, but it was adding acid to
egg whites which essentially cooked the egg whites. I showed that to
my class and kids continued to reference the demonstration for the
rest of the year. It was the best motivator I had ever used to get
students to wear googles.

Mary Beth Mulcahy

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:32 PM,  <JAKSAFETY**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:
> Wayne and I are not really in disagreement.  It's the employers
> responsibility to decide whether the chemicals being used can harm the
> eyes.
> If in the circumstances he (representing his employer) believed that they is
> not a risk of eye injury, then splash goggle are not needed.
> In the video, the announcer specifies that the eye injury is present. ...
> Jim
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> In a message dated 3/31/2012 12:00:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Date:    Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:13:15 +0000
> From:    Wayne Wood <wayne.wood**At_Symbol_Here**MCGILL.CA>
> Subject: Re: New Video from UCSD
> Please forgive me for disagreeing with the lab safety guru, but in our neck
> of the woods it is hard enough to get lab personnel to wear safety glasses,
> let alone wear goggles.  Here we require goggles when there is a significant
> splash hazard but for light-to-moderate work in your typical research lab we
> require safety glasses with side shields.
> Unlike Jim who feels the producers are "totally wrong", IMHO this video can
> help us increase the use of eye protection. Bravo and thank you UCSD!
> W.

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