From: Joseph M. Crockett <jcrocket**At_Symbol_Here**BRIDGEWATER.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab Safety Caps in Chem Labs
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:50:34 +0000
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Another factor should be the traffic flow. Our labs (general chem) would hold 19 (18 students and the professor) but we find that the flow of the room is better with only 16 students. This may be the effect of the furniture layout. For the organic labs we allow 100 sq ft per person - I've seen that number before but cannot reference it. Can someone give a reference?


Joe C


Joseph M Crockett

Professor of Chemistry and Chair

Bridgewater College

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Bridgewater, VA 22812


From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**] on behalf of Ben Ruekberg [bruekberg**At_Symbol_Here**CHM.URI.EDU]
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab Safety Caps in Chem Labs

I have a question.  Given that the occupancy of a laboratory complies with whatever fire codes specify, would not an important question be "How many supervisory persons (TA's and/or professors present) should there be per student?"


Thank you,




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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab Safety Caps in Chem Labs



In the NYC building code, it requires 50 sq. ft. per occupant in a lab and our labs are 1250 sq. ft. (Therefore 1200/50=24. At 1250 there is room for 1 instructor.). Consequently, there are 12 work stations, therefore students work at a station as a team of two. I would refer you to the NYC building code, Title 27, chapter 1, subchapter 6 (table 6-2; pp:166).


This link should get you pretty close:


This table shows 1 occupant/ 50 sq ft. for laboratories and 1/100 sq ft. for prep rooms.


Somewhere else in the code it is mentioned that furniture is taken into account or a standard 10% reduction in total sq footage is used.


Campus planning can tell you the sq footage. You should use their number. This is also a good legal justification for capping the class at 24. Check your local building code for lab occupancies.


Be Well,

James Saccardo, CHMM



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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:31 PM
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Lab Safety Caps in Chem Labs


It's the beginning of a new semester here in the beleaguered California community colleges, and there is again an administrative push to over enroll students in chem labs.


So I am interested in the history of the 24-25 chem lab safety caps. Does anyone know why 24-25 has been deemed the upper safety limit and what evidence was used? Also, exactly what agencies and organizations (in the US and abroad) besides ACS and LSI recommend these caps?


For those of you in California, is it true that when a new chem lab is designed for a state-funded school that the lab design is based on 24 students? This is what I've heard, and architects seem to design California chem labs around this magic 24, but is it state-mandated?



Marjorie Samples

Folsom Lake College, Folsom California


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