From: "Kennedy, Sheila" <s1kennedy**At_Symbol_Here**>
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Workplace and Laboratory Attire
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:11:30 +0000
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We used to have a rule about “appropriate clothing” full of details about what didn’t qualify. The rule had to be changed as new fashions appeared – spaghetti straps, bare midriffs, crop pants, leggings!.


Our recent rule works better and generates less push back. Once the TAs all started wearing lab coats, the students were soon on board. I really don’t care much what they wear under it. TAs are instructed to put non-compliant students outside the room and continue to teach those who did arrived appropriately prepared.  


Appropriate Clothing: Lab Coats, Long Pants and Closed Shoes are required. Choose sturdy shoes that cover the whole foot and protect from spills and broken glass. Wear a knee-length, long sleeve lab coat closed to protect skin & clothing. Coat sleeves must cover arms & shirts. Wear long pants (or equivalent) to protect from spills & splash. Avoid loose or synthetic clothing; remove loose jewelry; secure hair and clothing away from flames, equipment, and chemical contamination.


Sheila Kennedy, C.H.O.

Safety Coordinator | Teaching Laboratories

UCSD Chemistry & Biochemistry |MC 0303

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Office: (858) 534-0221 | Fax: (858) 534-7687


From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Debbie M. Decker
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Workplace and Laboratory Attire


Telling folks to wear “appropriate/professional” clothing doesn’t quite solve the problem.  One person’s “appropriate” is another person’s hocchie mama.  What we’ve discovered here is that the dress code needs to be very explicit.  Legs must be covered by long pants or long skirt.  Leggings or tights are not appropriate leg covering.  Closed toe/closed heel shoes with no skin showing.  Minimal skin should show between the lab coat the collar of the shirt.  We’re having some lab coats manufactured with a snap closure to close the collar of the lab coat under the chin.


Rob’s suggestion to contact the institution from whence these interns cometh and offer them some feedback – strongly worded, if need be! – is a very good one.


You are also welcome to steal the UC policy Russ mentioned in his post.  It’s here:





Debbie M. Decker, CCHO

Safety Manager

Department of Chemistry

University of California, Davis

122 Chemistry

1 Shields Ave.

Davis, CA  95616





Birkett's hypothesis: "Any chemical reaction

that proceeds smoothly under normal conditions,

can proceed violently in the presence of an idiot."


From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Peifer, Patricia
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:35 AM
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Workplace and Laboratory Attire




I work for a company that accepts college students as  paid summer interns and also as 6-month term Co-Ops.   The students we accept are majors in Chemistry, Chemical Engineering and Biology.   They are sophomore and junior level students. 


We are having problems with the attire of many of the young ladies who come to us.  The young men have so far not presented any problems.  The problems are these:

1.       The student has accepted an internship or Co-Op with us that involves working in chemistry laboratory.  I am sure they have all taken a college level chemistry class, probably several.  Yet they show up on the first day with cloth sneakers, sandals, leggings that expose half their bare leg, etc.  When told that this is not proper lab attire, they are confused and reply that they have nothing of the sort we consider proper.  We require pants (or a skirt ) that covers the entire leg and a shoe that covers their entire foot and is leather or fake leather.  We even buy them an appropriate shoe, they just have to have something that will get them by for the 5 or 6 days it takes for the company-provided shoe to come in.  It is sometimes a real struggle – they don’t have a shoe that will get them by, they have absolutely no appropriate pants (or so they say), when the ordered shoe comes in they for some reason “forget” to wear it into the lab, I could go on and on. 

2.       Attire that is simply not appropriate for the business environment.  Very short skirts, overly sheer tops, crop tops that expose the belly, extremely high heels, etc.  A Human Resources colleague of mine describes it as “hooker attire”.  Maybe a little exaggerated, but you get the idea.  Our company has on at least one occasion sent an intern home to change clothing, and there are many other instances where we SHOULD have sent someone home.


These young ladies are majoring in a hard subjects and get good grades or we would not accept them as interns or Co-Ops.  I do not think they realize how bad they make themselves look when employers have to speak with them about their attire.  I also think they do not realize how hard previous generations of women have fought for women to be taken seriously in the workplace.  Their dress does not advance that cause.


I am going to suggest that my company send out information to potential interns on dress requirements especially for chemical laboratories.  Academic institutions can certainly help provide guidance on this too.  I think parents used to do this, but I believe that is over.    


Thank you for listening.  Yes, I am old and growing increasingly grumpy.  And I wear slip-resistant shoes that cover my entire foot and look rather dorky because I choose to work in a chemistry laboratory.   


Pat Peifer, CCHO

Safety and Chemical Hygiene Specialist


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