From: Lee Latimer <lhlatimer**At_Symbol_Here**MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] chemicals and bikes
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:40:32 -0700
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This topic and the apparent whining looks like another example of scientists putting personal comfort ahead of safety and common sense, a major issue in industry as much as in academics.   It is an intrinsically bad idea for many reasons including not just corrosion but safe access to the waste area especially in case of a leak or other problem. “Prof. Murphy” addressed this topic.

And this from one who parked his bike in his lab in grad school, too many decades ago...


On 7/15/14 7:27 PM, "DAVID" <dakatz45**At_Symbol_Here**MSN.COM> wrote:

I personally think that storing bikes in the chemmical storage area is not a good idea.  That said, has anyone considered the long term damage to the bikes from chemical fumes in the storage area?  From my experience, even stainless steel "corrodes" in a chemical storage area on long term exposure.
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Perhaps  caging off the space if the storage facility you need for waste? Ventilation  will flow thru chain link, security can be managed, you’ll just need to make  sure emergency responders and others can get access to the waste as necessary  (i.e. bikes not blocking waste cage door access).



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Subject: [DCHAS-L] chemicals and  bikes

Leslie  – It doesn’t sound like you need much space; How about an aluminum storage  building set up inside the storage area? Just a thought, since that could  address the security issue and you should even be able to provide ventilation  for the storage building if the logistics are right.


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From: DCHAS-L  Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU]  On Behalf Of Leslie Coop
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 6:53  PM
Subject:  Re: [DCHAS-L] Cal/OSHA Safety Sign-in Sheet Requirement


There is a room in an older  science building that was originally designed for chemical storage; I am  taking it over for our 180-day chemical waste accumulation area. Over the past  few years it has been used for general storage (old chalkboards) and for  faculty bike storage while they are on campus. The question is, can they  continue to keep bikes in there along with the chemical waste.  



I have said it's not a good  idea due to security (number of people with access) and training issues,  as Debbie mentioned. Two of the faculty in on the discussion are from the  chemistry department, so feel they should continue to be able to access the  space. One of them recently had his bicycle stolen from the hallway outside  his office, so secure bike storage is really a hot button for him right now.  There are two bike racks just outside the building, but during the school year  these are usually quite full. Most of the faculty offices aren't large enough  to keep a bike in while working, and if they are in the hallways the fire  exits get blocked. This is an issue all over campus, I'm just making it more  difficult by taking away the science faculty's locked room. They asked for  input from my professional organization, so Thanks!






On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:23  PM, Debbie M. Decker <dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:


Yeah  – we’re a big bike campus, too..  Working with the bike folks and the  grounds folks, getting enough secure bike storage around the building helps  a lot.

To  questions like that, I usually respond, “Must we?” and then start to make  sure what they want to do won’t compromise compliance or fire code or  exiting or potentially damage the bike.  I presume they want to store  the bikes in the waste room because it’s more secure than outdoors.  If  something goes wrong in the waste room, would they really want their bike in  there?  Can you maintain exiting?  Can your hazardous waste  haulers access what they need to access without tripping over  bicycles?  Are they properly trained to be in the waste room?   They’ll need to have at least awareness level training for hazardous waste  operations and that has to be refreshed annually.  You can make it  painful and bureaucratic – that might work to discourage  them.

Hope  this helps – just a few ideas off the top of my head.



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can  proceed violently in the presence of an idiot."

From: DCHAS-L  Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Leslie  Coop


Sent: Monday,  July 14, 2014 9:21 AM

Subject: Re:  [DCHAS-L] Cal/OSHA Safety Sign-in Sheet Requirement



Faculty  want to know: Is is okay to store bicycles in the same room as with chemical  waste?



(They  don't like my answer)








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