From: Samuella Sigmann <sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**APPSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Colorado methanol fire case
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 23:14:50 -0400
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Hi Monique - I certainly don't feel that this teacher is blameless because as a educator, he should have understood that his job was to learn what he was teaching before taking it to the students - just like one would with any subject.  I don't like the fact that this teacher seems to be the scapegoat, when to me he is an indication that our method of teaching teachers is not working (licensed or not).  However, as Ellen pointed out, if what has been released in the press is all there is to the story, employers are failing to train their employees.

Another one of my teaching quotes:

Likewise, if a safety management system relies on properly trained operators to take correct action as the only line of defense against a major disaster, then a facility that employs such a system is asking for trouble in the long run, because humans make mistakes.

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On 10/25/2014 5:25 PM, Wilhelm, Monique wrote:

Thank you for posting, Sammye.  It reminded me that it is important to let my assistants know that, while I do put a lot of emphasis on training because of the nature of being an academic institution, I am always open to making changes to eliminate as many hazards as we can. 

 

Monique

 

From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Samuella Sigmann
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 12:39 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Colorado methanol fire case

 

Blame the Worker or Fix the Safety Hazard? 

This comes from the following article - http://www.ueunion.org/stwd_safetyblame.html

While not everything is relevant to this discussion, there are numerous excellent points made in this short article.
Sammye

On 10/25/2014 9:13 AM, Ellen M. Sweet wrote:

I was left wondering why the school wasn't held responsible. That this charter school wasn't required to have trained and licensed teachers is a lame excuse for cutting a brand new teacher loose without some basic classroom safety training.
Accidents happen. But, there have been numerous, recent events with methanol in the news. I'll be interested to see if the lawyers for the ex-teacher try to shift the blame back on the school.
Here's something I noticed in a letter to the parents earlier this month:
 
"We are also bringing on an independent company to perform a school safety evaluation of our
entire program, including science labs. Once we have the full report, we will move quickly to
implement recommendations and ensure that students are safe and able to focus on learning
when they are here at school."
 
Once again, reactionary improvements.
 
Harry, they haven't hired you have they?
 
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From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Ralph Stuart
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:13 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Colorado methanol fire case
 
I was struck the story in this morning's headlines that the Former Colorado Teacher was charged  with four counts of third-degree assault, a Class 1 misdemeanor in the methanol demonstration lab explosion that occurred last month.
 
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/10/22/former-teacher-charged-in-lab-explosion-that-injured-students/
 
This seems much more likely to set a precedent than the UCLA fire, which was based on labor law specific to California. I hope that people who are in Colorado will let us know how this case proceeds, as it's not uncommon for these stories to fall off the press's radar.
 
- Ralph
 
Ralph Stuart
rstuartcih**At_Symbol_Here**me.com

 

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We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.  We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do everything with nothing. Teresa Arnold

Samuella B. Sigmann, NRCC-CHO
Lecturer/Safety Committee Chair
A. R. Smith Department of Chemistry
Appalachian State University
525 Rivers Street
Boone, NC   28608
Phone: 828 262 2755
Fax: 828 262 6558
Email:
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We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.  We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do everything with nothing.
Teresa Arnold

Samuella B. Sigmann, NRCC-CHO
Lecturer/Safety Committee Chair
A. R. Smith Department of Chemistry
Appalachian State University
525 Rivers Street
Boone, NC   28608
Phone: 828 262 2755
Fax: 828 262 6558
Email:
sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**appstate.edu

 

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