From: Dan Kuespert <dkuespert**At_Symbol_Here**JHU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] How long to keep old standards?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 17:43:28 +0000
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Agreed. You'll never get cited for following the 2015 version of something. Unless by some bizarre occurrence, the 2015 version is less protective than the 1965. I have to admit I've never seen this happen - standards get refined but not really weakened (and if specific areas are weakened, it's usually because something is being reworded to convey a nuance of some kind).


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On Aug 18, 2015, at 09:28, Monona Rossol <actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**CS.COM> wrote:

That's simple.  Get the most up to date standard and follow it.  OSHA won't cite, they'll stand up and applaud. They don't want those old standards.  They just don't have time to fight the industries that don't want the standards updated.  It can be really long and bitter and resource depleting to get them all updated.

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062


-----Original Message-----
From: Eileen Mason <lnmsn8**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 11:05 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] How long to keep old standards?

OSHA standards cite a specific version when a voluntary standard is incorporated by reference. Voluntary standards are easier to update than OSHA standards, which really Do require an act of Congress.  So if OSHA cites an antique standard, it might be hard to find a copy of that actual document.  

For example, see 1910 Subpart H - compressed gases:

"Inspection of compressed gas cylinders." Each employer shall determine that compressed gas cylinders under his control are in a safe condition to the extent that this can be determined by visual inspection. Visual and other inspections shall be conducted as prescribed in the Hazardous Materials Regulations of the Department of Transportation (49 CFR parts 171-179 and 14 CFR part 103). Where those regulations are not applicable, visual and other inspections shall be conductedin accordance with Compressed Gas Association Pamphlets C-6-1968 and C-8-1962, which is incorporated by reference as specified in Sec. 1910.6.
"Compressed gases." The in-plant handling, storage, and utilization of all compressed gases in cylinders, portable tanks, rail tankcars, or motor vehicle cargo tanks shall bein accordance with Compressed Gas Association Pamphlet P-1-1965, which is incorporated by reference as specified in Sec. 1910.6.
"Safety relief devices for compressed gas containers." Compressed gas cylinders, portable tanks, and cargo tanks shall have pressure relief devices installed and maintained in accordance with Compressed Gas Association Pamphlets S-1.1-1963 and 1965 addenda and S-1.2-1963, which is incorporated by reference as specified in Sec. 1910.6.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Margaret Rakas <mrakas**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:
I am moving offices and have probably 30 years' worth of ANSI/NFPA/CGA standards.  I am fine with keeping those no longer updated (like the NFPA standard on oxidizer storage) but is there any point in keeping the last 3 editions of (for example) the ANSI standard on eyewashes and safety showers?  I have limited space and no time to peruse the history/evolution of safety and compliance a practices...
Many thanks for your thoughts on this-

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