From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Teacher Makes Chemistry Fun With Exploding Experiments
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:28:49 -0400
Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Message-ID: 15f35096431-c06-1332**At_Symbol_Here**

You wax so eloquent that I could almost agree.  But no. You need to take another look at liberal arts from the 1800s through the first half of the 1900s.  There is a baby in that bathwater.

My primary problem (there are others) is the theory that everything we learn and every teacher should be fun.  Not everything is fun.  Sometimes the joy of education comes after feeling out of your element, struggling to do the work, and then, suddenly, the light goes on!  We rob students of this joy because they won't work at things they don't like long enough to get to the light.   

That's what "required subjects" used to be all about.  We need to make kids work at things they don't even see the point of at the time.  That's what "liberal arts" education used to be:  getting a firm, broad understanding of both the sciences and the arts. 

When I went to school you couldn't get any degree without a year of physics, a year of chemistry and a year of math.  This was in addition to English, courses on Literature I didn't care to read, and History that I found boring.   I'd be absolutely nowhere today without the firm basis I got in the very late 1950s--requirements that I resented at first and embraced in the long run.  

When my generation took over the campuses in the 1960s, those hard required courses were the first thing to go. And look what we have. 

I repeat, no student should evaluate a teacher until 5 years after graduation.

And curriculum planners, should take back the right and authority to require students to pass courses on what they will need to become useful citizens of the real world with an understanding and appreciation of where this culture came from and enough science to help take it where it should go in the future.

Instead, institutions misnamed "colleges" and "universities" teach trade school skills to enable students to get jobs or make a profit from making art, music, or even marijuana, for gosh sakes.

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062


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From: Debbie M. Decker <dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**UCDAVIS.EDU>
Sent: Thu, Oct 19, 2017 3:05 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Teacher Makes Chemistry Fun With Exploding Experiments

Hi All:
These demos are what we typically do for school groups and for our annual campus open house - Picnic Day.  Keeping a good distance between the audience and the performer (yes, Monona - we call them "performers"), engineering as much risk out of the demo as possible, talking through the hazards with those performing the demo, good oversight and training, etc. and I'm comfortable with how the demos are presented.
That said - the video did make me cringe because the person performing the demos is really annoying.  And _really_ cavalier about what she's doing.  They may have just snipped out the "juicy bits" for the news piece but the message seems pretty laissez faire from the performer.
To Harry's point about tenure and promotion based (in part) on student evaluations:  maybe gee-whizzy demos engage students and translate to good evaluations.  But that's the point, isn't it?  Good teaching engages the student in learning.  I have a professor who uses a lot of demos in his teaching but he's also an excellent instructor!  He gets stellar evaluations (and has a waiting list for his lectures) because he engages students, beyond the demos he uses to illustrate the pedagogical point.  To those instructors who get crappy evaluations - up your game!  Sheesh!   Figure out how to deliver the curriculum outside of the Oxford model of instruction - from the 1800=E2=80™s!  Unfortunately, R-1 institutions (mine, included) don't always value good teaching or support instructors to employ well-researched, modern teaching techniques to engage students.
<soapbox off>
Debbie M. Decker, CCHO, ACS Fellow
Past Chair, Division of Chemical Health and Safety
University of California, Davis
Birkett's hypothesis: "Any chemical reaction
that proceeds smoothly under normal conditions,
can proceed violently in the presence of an idiot."
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Jarral Ryter
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Teacher Makes Chemistry Fun With Exploding Experiments
Curious if we all could point out what is wrong specifically. As a learning excercise. I'm thinking if you know what you are doing they all are safe. The kids could have more ppe working with alginate that you can eat?
The methanol or possibly ethanol jug doesn't have excess liquid and isnt being poured on a flame near students for example. Which is the hazard.
 Liquid n2 in hot water... it has some hazards but very little. And it was not near the kids.
H2 balloon is farther from kids than it looks.  And it seems to be just h2 as it didn't explode like it had o2 in it.  
Starch in the mouth is well.... i need to brush my teeth....
Dancing without goggles? Dry ice in water?
Too much fun?
Sorry for any snark but really curious. 
Jarral Ryter 
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From: "Czerwinski, Kevin" <kczerwin**At_Symbol_Here**UWSP.EDU>
Date: 10/18/17 5:52 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Teacher Makes Chemistry Fun With Exploding Experiments
Made me cringe when I saw it.

Dr. Kevin M. Czerwinski, Ph.D.
Department of Chemistry

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On Oct 18, 2017, at 6:36 AM, NEAL LANGERMAN <neal**At_Symbol_Here**CHEMICAL-SAFETY.COM<mailto:neal**At_Symbol_Here**CHEMICAL-SAFETY.COM>> wrote:

I saw it last night and thought that ACS (Marta) might send her the guidelines on demonstrations. I can think of all kinds of ugly scenarios.
Stay safe out there.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 18:07 Richard Rosera <richardrosera**At_Symbol_Here**<mailto:richardrosera**At_Symbol_Here**>> wrote:
This was apparently featured this evening on NBC News:

Using explosive experiments and her magnetic personality, Dr. Kate Biberdorf is inspiring thousands of children across Texas to see the exciting side of chemistry.<>

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