From: Lucy Dillman <lucydillman**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] Pa. studentŐs lawsuit over burns suffered during chemistry class explosion is dismissed
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 10:06:55 -0700
Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
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I am not what I would call a "real" chemist, being a biologist by training and I learned practical chemistry as I worked. The main places I used alcohols were for extractions, decontamination and in alcohol lamps. The instructions for the alcohol lamps said not to use methanol, because it burns with a colorless flame. You can't see it burning, so you don't know if it is out or not. The reason it is good for that rainbow experiment is that of itself it has a colorless flame, so one can easily see the pretty colors produced by the various minerals dissolved in it. I suspect a HS science or even chemistry teacher would have about the same three years of introductions to chemistry areas as I had in school (intro, analytical, organic for non-majors and biochem). This was something I only learned later on the job because of a situation where I needed to use an alcohol lamp AND I took time to read the instructions. This teacher didn't see a flame so didn't see a reason not to pour more alcohol on it, resulting in this fearful situation of a student on fire. That might seem obvious to real chemists, but it would not have been obvious to me as a biologist with little hands on chemical lab experience. I probably even thought it was funny the alcohol lamp had that instruction sheet, the device is so simple, which prompted my perverse mind to read it.

Procedures need to be reviewed, both to refresh the mind and to examine for needed revision. "I've done it this way for 23 years" doesn't mean it can't be done mindfully.

Best regards,
Lucy Dillman
retired safety officer

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 4:59 AM Anthony Noce <000004277abe8fe9-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:
It seems to me that this might open up the Society for Additional liabilities...

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> On Apr 25, 2019, at 16:52, davivid <davivid**At_Symbol_Here**well.com> wrote:
>
> [Actual Sender is owner-dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**princeton.edu]
>
> Perhaps ACS could reach out to Plaintiff. I'm sure a case can be made for ACS to provide support for this suit in keeping with its charge to promote chemical safety, education and outreach.
>
> Dave Lane
> Principal
> Clavis Technology Development
>
>> On 4/25/19 12:35 PM, Doug Cody wrote:
>> This case's verdict is extremely troubling. I agree with all the other
>> posters on this thread. I'm just about to conduct some annual safety
>> training for the K-12 sector. I'm going to have to think about how I want
>> to reinforce the basic principles I teach. If I were this student's parents
>> I would be livid. There is so much wrong here.
>>
>> Douglas S. Cody, CSP, CSHM, AS, BA, BS, MS, MA
>> Associate Professor of Chemistry
>> UUPF Contingent Officer
>> Past Chair NYSUT Task Force on Health & Safety
>> Past President American Society of Safety Engineers LI Chapter
>> Farmingdale State College
>> Lupton Hall
>> 2350 Broadhollow Rd
>> Farmingdale, NY 11735-1021
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 5:54 AM DCHAS Membership Chair <membership**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/04/pa-students-lawsuit-over-burns-suffered-during-chemistry-class-explosion-is-dismissed.html
>>>
>>> Pa. student's lawsuit over burns suffered during chemistry class explosion
>>> is dismissed
>>>
>>> WILLIAMSPORT - A federal judge has dismissed the suit a mother brought
>>> over injuries her daughter suffered last year in a liquid methanol
>>> demonstration in a Mount Carmel Area High School classroom.
>>>
>>> U.S. Middle District Judge Matthew W. Brann on Wednesday gave Karen Green
>>> of Locust Gap the opportunity to file an amended complaint but questioned
>>> whether she can successfully allege any plausible claims.
>>>
>>> The averments in the dismissed complaint appear to be more legal
>>> conclusions than factual allegations, the judge wrote.
>>>
>>> Green failed to allege facts that infer the defendants were aware of the
>>> risks of the experiment, he said, noting chemistry teacher Tammy Michaels
>>> had performed it for 23 years without incident.
>>>
>>> The complaint contains no facts that suggest Michaels directed the Aug. 30
>>> explosion at the girl, identified as M.G., who was seated in the first row,
>>> Brann wrote.
>>>
>>> The judge's opinion gives this account of what occurred that caused M.G.
>>> to suffer second-degree burns:
>>>
>>> Michaels poured methanol into a container and attempted to ignite it.
>>> Unsatisfied with the result, she added methanol and attempted again to
>>> light it with a match.
>>>
>>> The mixture exploded, causing flaming liquid methanol to spill on the
>>> girl's leg and desk.
>>>
>>> As Michaels and fellow students attempted to extinguish the flames, it was
>>> discovered the classroom fire blanket had never been removed from its
>>> shipping container and the room's chemical shower was inoperable.
>>>
>>> The suit claimed school nurse Leanna Ryan could not provide M.G. care
>>> because she was not a burn specialist. The girl was transported to a
>>> hospital.
>>>
>>> Green contended Michaels conducted the demonstration despite being aware
>>> that organizations including the National Science Teachers Association had
>>> urged teachers to halt the use of methanol-based flame tests in open
>>> laboratory desks.
>>>
>>> The suit, which sought damages in excess of $150,000, was against the
>>> district, Michaels, Ryan, district Superintendent Bernard Stellar and high
>>> school principal Lisa Varano.
>>>
>>> It claimed they created a dangerous situation and deprived M.G.. of her
>>> right of personal safety. Supervisory liability claims also were made
>>> against Stellar and Varano.
>>>
>>> Brann declined to accept jurisdiction of negligence and infliction of
>>> emotional distress claims brought under state law. That does not prevent
>>> Green from pursuing them in state court.
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