On Dec 2, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Anna Sitek <asitek1**At_Symbol_Here**UMN.EDU> wrote:

Hi Kimi,

Our safety committee has had several discussions about this. I suspect our current 5 gallon bath set-ups in a secondary containment trays could be improved, but not sure how.

I like that the 5 gallon buckets can be sealed and sent for waste without an awkward transfer.  

Assuming it's just glassware going into the bath, what gas do you expect to form and build up pressure? I'm not aware of any pressurization issues. Assuming it's used for glass cleaning and not someone dumping waste into it.

Our discussions:

• There will always be "dripping" coming out of the bath so having secondary containment area around the bath with neutralizer/ pads is recommended.
• Containers need to be big enough to allow glassware to soak. We frequently encourage groups to use smaller baths, unless their glassware is unique and really needs large container. 
• If large, soaking horizontally with a cover vs vertically is preferred. Deep containers have higher splash potential.
• Some groups prefer the containers on the ground, further from their eyes, easier to lift. Others prefer on the bench top, less likely to drop something from a large distance and cause a splash. The bench top group tends to use smaller short depth rectangular containers and immediately empty them after use. The ground groups tend to leave the bath in 5 gallon buckets for re-use. 

One issue we're still wrestling with is the flammability e.g. storage in a flammable storage cabinet and transfers done in the fume hood. A parts washer or rinse tank could provide a flammable safe option but probably won't last long with the corrosion. I haven't tried but wonder if the 5 gallon buckets could fit inside of the flammable safe 10 gallon rags cans? But this still isn't addressing any potential ventilation needs. 

 

Commenting to see if others have found something that works well.

Anna

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:53 PM Brown, Kimberly Jean <kimibush**At_Symbol_Here**ehrs.upenn.edu> wrote:

Hello, and Happy December!

 

Have any of you issued (or been subject to) specific guidance regarding lab-scale acid and bath baths for glassware cleaning? 

 

After some recent spills, we evaluated the types of containers being used for acid and base baths in our labs.  Some groups are using 5-gallon buckets with poorly fitting lids, which is what led to the spills.  In updating our recommendations, however, we questioned whether or not the lids should be tight-fitting (liquid/gas tight) due to the potential for pressurization.

 

Ultimately, we recommended a product such as this:  https://www.calpaclab.com/nalgene-rectangular-tank-with-cover-pp-7-gal-12x12x12/ng-14200-0010# (Which more than a few groups resisted/rejected for a variety of reasons).

 

A researcher argued that there is no potential for pressurization of a base bath (e.g. KOH and IPA) during glassware soaking, and therefore, a bucket with a screw top lid should still be an acceptable option.

 

Thoughts?  Is there a potential for pressurization of the base bath?  What requirements, if any, do you have for this?

 

Thanks for sharing your experiences and opinions!

 

Kimi Brown

(Kimi Bush) (she, her, hers)

Sr. Lab Safety Specialist

Environmental Health and Radiation Safety

University of Pennsylvania

3160 Chestnut St., Suite 400

Philadelphia, PA 19104-6287

Office: 215-746-6549

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