From: Wendy H <wendyl.hom**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Advice about laboratory attire
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:34:29 -0500
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Thanks so much everyone!

To address Jessica's point, no you weren't missing anything. No one was commenting on anyone's body but some older male faculty felt uncomfortable with telling female students to cover up.

They didn't tell me directly but I heard it from another female professor who suggested index cards to hand to students to tell them to cover up. I just felt like wearing the right attire was a prerequisite for being in lab and was not sure how to approach this without coming off as insensitive, misunderstanding, and dramatic.

I think the suggestion of having actual pictures of what is appropriate is helpful. I would want to do one where we show what is not appropriate but didn't want to ask a student to come dressed like that.

I wanted to say no skin exposed from the collarbone down but was told that some skirts (I guess slightly longer than below the knee) had to be allowed for religious reasons...

Without Wax,
Wendy Hom

Department of Chemistry Laboratory Director
Environmental Health & Safety Officer
319 Berliner Hall
151 Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY 11549
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On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 11:23 AM James Saccardo <James.Saccardo**At_Symbol_Here**csi.cuny.edu> wrote:

Any recommendations for cuffs? Knitted or not?

Side slits, necessary or not?

James

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of James Kaufman
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Advice about laboratory attire

I recommend snaps over buttons.

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:47 AM Debbie Decker <debbie.m.decker**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com> wrote:

I always told students there needed to be no skin showing from the collarbone to the toes. If they are required to wear a lab coat, it needs to button comfortably across their body (see "no skin from collarbone to toes"). Leggings or tights are not pants.

A role play, as Jessica suggests, is a good idea.

Hair and facial hair confined. Head scarves also confined and of a natural fiber rather than polyester or rayon.

Good luck. Be consistent and make sure your teaching staff model appropriate attire.

Debbie

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 7:18 AM CHAS membership <membership**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org> wrote:

From: Wendy L Hom <Wendy.L.Hom**At_Symbol_Here**hofstra.edu>
Re: Advice about laboratory attire

We had less of this before the pandemic but since coming back, there are students that have not been wearing appropriate lab attire and it has been challenging trying to get the instructors to enforce this. I was told by another female colleague that some male colleagues find it awkward to tell young ladies that they need to cover up as it goes against the societal rule that older men should not comment on the bodies of young women.

They know and we all know that it is important for safety and we have this in the lab safety guide that all students review and attest to, and we have posted signs on the outside of the lab doors.

Does the group have any advice or suggestions to address this? I always thought it was entirely appropriate to tell someone that they were not wearing appropriate attire for the lab and they could not continue since it was not directly commenting on one's body.

Any advice is appreciated! Thanks!

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Without Wax,
Wendy Hom

Department of Chemistry Laboratory Director
Environmental Health & Safety Officer
319 Berliner Hall
151 Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY 11549
(516) 463-5541
Wendy.L.Hom**At_Symbol_Here**hofstra.edu

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