Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:43:40 -0800
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Subject: Re: Visor-gogs
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First, thank you Mary, I thoroughly enjoyed your respons e.  It was both snarky and funny.  I enjoy a good laugh.

At our Community College, we have been requiring the students to purchase chemical splash goggles from the lab stockroom for a f ee of $5, which is collected during registration (we find this is our average price when purchasing in bulk).  We provide the choice of Sellstrom in direct vented goggles, Encon 500 goggles, and Sellstrom mini goggles.  We als o offer a few XL goggles for those with larger faces.  The student is allowed to choose the goggle that is best suited to their face.  If th ey find the goggle they chose uncomfortable or that it fogs too quickly, they are allowed one week to exchange for another style.  The students don̵ 7;t complain about the goggles and, given the opportunity to choose, are more likely to wear their goggles.  Many enjoy trying them on and asking th eir friends how they look.

The only complaint we get from the students is that they are required to pay the fee each semester.  Our response is that the goggl es will become scratched and contaminated during the course of the previous semester and it is in the student’s best interest to have new goggles for their comfort and safety. 

If the student drops the class within the first two week s and returns the goggles, they are given a refund and the goggles are cleane d and disinfected for re-use the following semester.

At the end of the semester, many of the students donate their goggles back.  Those that are in excellent condition are cleaned and disinfected to be re-sold the following semester (this offsets our costs a bit).  The others are cleaned and disinfected to be distributed to local schools.& nbsp;

We are very happy with our system and our students seem happy, too.

Jamie Smith

Irvine Valley College

Irvine, CA

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Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Visor -gogs

If some of you folks recall the old E ye and Face Protection film made by Dr. Norman Quam in the 1960's (not sure of the exact date), Visor-gogs came out of the tests with a very high rating for frontal splashes.  They were very comfortable to wear and provided a g reat field of vision. At the time, Visor-gogs were more expensive than most safe ty goggles, but cheap compared to the cost of an eye injury.


I did my graduate work at Villanova University across the hall from Dr . Quam's lab.  His safety work was pioneering in the field.  I reme mber when he did safety studies on inpact protection of various materials.  The lab door was locked, a flashing red light above the door warned everyone th at tests were being run, and the sound of gun shots or small explosions could be heard.  I enjoyed my conversations with Dr. Quam, he contributed to my early safety training.


We are all aware that our standards o f eye protection has changed and we are trying to do the best for ourselves, our students and our workers.  It's true that for some experiments and activities safety glasses may suffice.  For corrosive and caustic materials, a splash goggle is necessary.  Unfortunately, in our litigi ous society, we must always move to the highest level of protection even when t he experiments or activities don't warrant it (e.g., working with water or non-hazardous solutions).  No matter what we work with, safety must st ill be a state of mind at all times.


In my academic setting, we give the students the option of purchasing goggles or using goggles in the lab maintained for multiple users.  We provide a UV cabinet and goggles cleaning solution.  We will be moving to requiring students to purchas e goggles starting in the fall, but we will still maintain some goggles in th e lab for students who forget to bring their goggles.  After reviewing a number of different goggles ( a difficult process since we cannot get evaluation samples at no cost), we are considering the Uvex classic 9305 CV A Safety Goggles.  They are soft, comfortable, have a very good fie ld of view, and seem to have good anti-fog properties.  So far, our stude nts seem to like these better than several previous models we used.< /span>


Rather than spending time "discussing" Visor-gogs, share your experiences with different br ands of goggles to assist others in making informed choices for their laboratori es.


David Katz



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S ubject: [DCHAS-L] Visor-gogs

We are considering returning to use of Visor-Gogs® for chemistry lab students, as well as art studio activities.  Our reasoning is that increased comfort will translate in to increased compliance,  as well as the idea that the less irritated the wearer’s eyes/face are from the goggles, the less likely one is to re ach in to rub with a potentially chemically-contaminated finger.


Please offer feedback, or other information, positive and negative, on the use of Visor-Gogs® as PPE.



Barry Ferm< u2:p>

St. Amb rose University



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