From: lmstroud <lmstroud**At_Symbol_Here**AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:25:06 -0500
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Again, very true. Administrators rarely know their science safety liability. There is a national school administrators organization and likewise state administrators organizations. 
I made a 1.5 hr video on School Administrators Legal Science  Safety Responsibilities for a NC LEA. this system requires every school administrator to take this course. This system has a model for safety be it science or custodial personnel.  They audit their facilities from playgrounds to science labs. They then develop a plan to correct deficiencies. Followups are made to see if corrections are being made. Each middle and hid school has a CHO-24 hrs science safety training.  The science supervisors at the LEA level are CHOs also.
I have been working with this system  for more than 10 yrs. 
I need to write a safety program article for you Harry. Incredible program here. Their school insurers fund much of the training.

Linda Stroud, Ph.D, NRCC-CHO

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From: McGrath Edward J <Edward.McGrath**At_Symbol_Here**REDCLAY.K12.DE.US>
Date: 11/02/2015 8:41 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6

I have to say, Monona, that scares me.  Fortunately, our local affiliate of NEA fully supports safety training of teachers.  Maybe it’s because the association president is a former chemistry student of mine!

I find our biggest lift regarding safety training is administrators.  It’s not even that they resist; it’s more like they don’t realize that safety training of teachers is their responsibility.  I have to say, we have made progress with this (annual safety training of science teachers has been safeguarded for over ten years, and has included fire extinguisher training) but we have a long way to go.  This incident will probably result in heightened awareness for some months; unfortunately, it rarely lasts.

Eddie McGrath

Edward J. McGrath
Supervisor of Science
Red Clay Consolidated School District
1502 Spruce Avenue
Wilmington DE  19805

(302) 552-3768

We did not inherit the Earth from our ancestors.  We borrowed it from our children.

From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**] On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6

Well, good luck on getting the unions involved.  Here in NY is it the teacher's union that doesn't want to get behind even the required state OSHA (PESH) hazcom and lab standard training of teachers.  The teachers find it boring so the union supports their not going to training which the schools aren't doing anyway.  I go into schools where the art teachers have absolutely no knowledge of these regulations.  And their classrooms look like it.

And this is coming from a rah-rah union supporter and employee.  There good 'uns and bad 'uns.

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062

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How to Get a Message to All School Teachers:

To get a message about the dangers of the methanol “rainbow” demo to a large, distributed group such as “all middle school and high school teachers” I think it would be useful to find a common denominator that already exists among them.  Counting on the media, or congressional hearings or other sources that have access to a national stage are good ideas.     But along with broadcasting a message at a national level through Frontline or 60 Minutes news programs, I suggest using a communication network that already exists and that has ties specifically to teachers everywhere in the country.   There are one or two organizations that communicate with “all” classroom teachers routinely and often.   I think someone should approach the NEA and the AFT with a request to distribute to their members information of arguable value - “how to continue doing this popular chemistry demo without setting your students on fire any more”.

Sometimes I get carried away.

I suggest a letter to NEA and AFT that says something along the lines of:

“For a number of years safety professionals and others in the American Chemical Society have noticed an alarming frequency of incidents in middle schools and high schools where students are being injured by the popular classroom science demonstration involving burning methyl alcohol and “rainbow” colors.   Every year there are a handful of news reports of students being taken to hospital emergency rooms with serious, sometimes life-threatening burns sustained from this specific procedure.    We believe this is due to widespread unfamiliarity among classroom teachers with the hazards of the materials used in this demonstration.     We are suggesting that you communicate with your members, especially middle school and high school science teachers, and provide them with information about the historical consequences of this procedure and detailed guidelines for performing it safely.    We are offering to provide technical guidance in crafting such guidelines with the hope that it reach as many class room teachers as possible who might choose to perform this demonstration.
This demonstration can be and has been performed many times without mishap, but the edge between fascination and disaster is very thin for this procedure.   Many science teachers, especially in K -12 education seem to be unaware of the dangers that come with it.
If you wish to participate in such an effort please contact …”

When it comes to offering technical guidance, I can see including the decision to not do the demonstration as one of the guideline options.

If my Google searching results are correct, there are about 3 million school teachers in the US and there are about 3 million members of NEA and AFT.  The totals I found are actually larger.  I suspect dual membership in these organizations.  In any case, I hypothesize that “all” K-12 school teachers can be efficiently reached through their unions.
Perhaps the offer could be contained in a letter written by the President of ACS.

Thanks for listening.

Michael Ahler
Part-Time Faculty Member
LPS (Chemistry)
Allan Hancock College
and Retired  CHO
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6
Rob et al.,
The thing about Frontline and 60 Minutes is they cover a larger issue than just one demonstration.  These past few years educational institutions from primary schools through to graduate schools have experienced significant debilitating incidents and deaths.  The ACS through its committees and divisions have addressed the subject and distributed the information but to a limited audience.  Local media, with the help of local sections, is one approach to get some of the information to the general public but the investigative reporting is a compressive approach to the problems.  Assistance from the NSF, NIH and the Department of Education should be considered in the campaign for safer science education.

Here is how to contact Frontline and 60 Minutes:

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Laurence Doemeny
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6

I'm already rolling on that.  I started work last night to get a group of people together who would be the go-to folks for the segment to comment on camera, outline the issue/history of it, etc.   Basically prepackaging all the background footwork done that someone would need to do *exactly* that.   I possibly have a media contact or two through some other channels.   Anyone who wants to help compile the case histories etc. should contact me off list.

It is quite clear that we can't solve the issue our normal way - it is going to take some media attention so that administrators and parents push it.   A limited email I sent out last night for initial feelers was titled "Let's get to the end of this rainbow once and for all".    It makes a great story; I can imagine the tag lines now "invisible danger in the classroom", "your child at risk" etc.

The only question is the scope/scale.  We obviously need to address all methanol/flame demos, but do we move beyond what has already been called for and go for an outright ban on using methanol etc.

Rob Toreki

On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Laurence Doemeny <ldoemeny**At_Symbol_Here**COX.NET<mailto:ldoemeny**At_Symbol_Here**COX.NET>> wrote:

While training is helpful the real need is getting th

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