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John DeLaHunt's correspondence with the author of the article I passed along yesterday... - Ralph From: JDelahunt**At_Symbol_Here**ColoradoCollege.edu Subject: RE: College's workers apparently transporting chemicals without being told proper procedures Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:26:07 -0700 Curious to me that the writer compared 25 grams (<1 ounce) of moist picric with the Halifax explosion, which was ton quantities of high explosives. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_explosion <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_explosion> John jdelahunt**At_Symbol_Here**coloradocollege.edu ________________________________ From: Angela Woodall [mailto:awoodall**At_Symbol_Here**angnewspapers.com] Sent: Tue 2/27/2007 11:29 PM Thank you for your e-mail. I am not sure what the nature of your comment was. But just to assure you of my intentions I will say that the site you copied in your e- mail is one of the many that I used to gather info about picric acid. In addition, I was not comparing 25 g of the acid to the Halifax incident. Rather, the explosion was used to illustrate the explosive nature of the acid. Whether it was as dangerous, the janitor who handled it seemed stunned by the connection. That's human nature. In addition, if the quantity were harmless, would the Hazmat unit of the Fremont Fire Dept. have called in the bomb squad? Maybe it was a precaution, but the point was that individuals with no knowledge, equipment or training to handle hazardous materials were doing so. The college clearly needed to update its procedures, as the concern voiced to me (and the investigation) by OSHA illustrates. Thanks again for your feedback. Best, ________________________ From: JDelahunt**At_Symbol_Here**ColoradoCollege.edu Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:26:07 -0700 Ms. Woodall; The nature of my comment was criticism about the connection between the Halifax explosion and 25 grams of moist picric acid. Even if the materials are similar, the scale must register with even the least scientific of observers. Ohlone: 25 grams (0.000025 tons) picric acid Halifax: 1,602,519 kilograms (1,602.5 tons) wet picric acid, 544,311 (544 tons) kilograms dry picric acid Taking all the Halifax picric acid together, there was about 85 MILLION times more mass on the Halifax than in the Ohlone case. Your article doesn't mention that, and the omission makes the Ohlene case appear worse than it was, simply by inference, even if we agree that you did not intend a comparison. At no point did I state or infer that picric acid is "harmless." Your assumption that I take that posture is unwelcome and unsupported. However, since you've had the courtesy to respond, let me air some other concerns about your presentation of the story: "Volatile" is a poor word choice. As a term of art in chemistry, "volatile" means "capable of evaporating rapidly." I appreciate that Roget considers "explosive" and "volatile" to be synonymous in the vernacular, but I believe the latter in this case would better refer to "a volatile temper." Only dry picric acid is unstable, and then generally only when in contact with transition metals - the Wikipedia article on the Halifax explosion mentions this. It is routine among chemists to simply invert a container of picric (with a plastic lid, a detail your coverage of the Ohlone case omitted) in water, allow the threads to moisten, open the lid, moisten the material inside, and then dispose of it as a flammable solid or a toxic liquid. In fact, this process is required before transportation if the moisture level is unknown (since transportation of dry - by which we mean <10% by weight water) picric acid on public roads by motor vehicle requires substantially more training and certification per 49 CFR 172.101 et seq. Your coverage neglects to cite the basis of the declarative comment that picric acid has been banned on college campuses. This news hasn't come to campuses across the country - the purchase of picric acid is a matter of routine, especially for tissue staining (Bouin's stain) and organic synthesis. Specialty chemical companies sell it regardless of the ban you report. If this is a quote, you failed to attribute it. If it's speculation, it's mistaken, considering the evidence to the contrary. Either way, it's erroneous to include that report in the coverage as you chose to. Picral is a 4% (by weight) solution of picric acid in ethanol - the ethanol is not a neutralizing solution (it is not a base, though picric acid is an acid), it is a stabilizer. Your conclusion that temperature (an inaccurate term from the perspective of basic thermodynamics - "heat" or "high temperature" would have been more appropriate) or motion could have made the picric acid explode is unfalsifiable - without actual experience (i.e. testing or an unexpected explosion) one cannot deduce whether this material was sufficiently dry to be shock sensitive. Picric acid, when 10% wet - adequate to stabilize, appears as a flowable solid. That is, it looks dry, but it may well not be so. Prudence is the proper course of action in any case where the true degree of wetness is unknown, but nothing short of an explosion indicates whether this or that picric acid was actually dry enough to be shock sensitive. Whether Decon Environmental or the Fremont Fire department knows the details of picric acid or not is pure speculation. In my experience, the FD prefers not to handle things that might be explosive, whether or not they are, and hazardous waste technicians often lack experience in the subtle chemistry of organonitrates from laboratories. Regardless, though, 25 grams of high explosive is a small explosion. By comparison, the M61 Fragmentation Grenade uses 5.5 ounces of tetryl as its energy source (according to http://www.fas.org/man/ dod-101/sys/land/m61.htm), and has an effective range (casualty radius) of 15 meters, a function more of the shrapnel than the energy source. A high power rifle cartridge may have one half an ounce of gunpowder (a low explosive) as its energy source (according to http:// www.nextag.com/338-rifle/search-html). The rifle and grenade both increase their potency by enclosing the explosion in metal - far more effective at maximizing power than glass (or plastic, another detail your article omitted). This essentially brackets the potential power of the material, had it been, in fact, shock sensitive. Somewhere between the charge in a grenade and the charge in a high-powered rifle bullet. Based on my experience with explosive deactivation of reactive chemicals, I believe that the Alameda Bomb Squad had to initiate the explosion with something; I suspect they used det sheet and det cord, which would have increased the explosive mass in the explosive construct by as much as an order of magnitude or more. I suspect that an explosion of exactly the same construction, except without the picric acid, would also shake the campus and set off car alarms. Your coverage omits these details, so all we have is speculation. The science is the science and the facts are the facts. In my opinion as a chemist, indignation - which appears to be rife in your coverage - over Ohlene's approach to hazardous materials handling grants you no license to abbreviate the science in the matter. John