Date:         Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:23:35 -0600
Reply-To:     Diane Amell <Diane.Amell**At_Symbol_Here**STATE.MN.US>
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From:         Diane Amell <Diane.Amell**At_Symbol_Here**STATE.MN.US>
Subject:      Re: Working with chemicals and anosmia
Comments: To: heinz and inge trebitz 
I'm afraid I'm with Steve; the reason being that you could be at risk 
long before you can smell some chemicals: 
 
Example 1: Odorless carbon monoxide. Up here we have a few fatalities&
nbsp;each winter from malfunctioning furnaces, heaters, etc. I have a 
long list of examples where our investigators found CO overexposures; some 
high enough to require evacuation of the facility (which is why all our 
safety, as well as our health, investigators have their own CO 
monitors).
 
Example 2: Methylene chloride. The odor threshold is approximately 
200 ppm and the OSHA PEL is an 8-hour TWA of 25 ppm. (And no, I don't wish 
to get involved in a debate regarding the merits of the OSHA standard.)
 
Example 3: Hydrogen sulfide, which causes olfactory fatigue.
 
On the flip side, we regularly have to explain to people that, just 
because you can smell something, doesn't necessarily mean you are at 
risk.
 
- Diane Amell, MNOSHA 
>>> heinz and inge trebitz 
<iht63**At_Symbol_Here**VALLEY.NET> 2/10/2009 6:58:44 PM >>>
Comenting on Samuella Sigman's questions as 
well as the responses posted:
Whether exposure to a 
chemical is harmful or not, or whether the volatiles
released into the 
lab environment are non combustible or present a physical
hazard 
(explosion, fire),  the affected person lacking olfactory
capabilit
ies is at increased risk. As mentioned by Steve in his 2/07
comment, 
you can minimize that risk through moving operations with volatiles
into
 a tightly controlled hood. But Steve's suggestion to not allow the
work
er to do solo work acknowledges that these controls are not fail safe.
<
BR>
I disagree with Steve when he states that "Safe conditions 
should not
require that a person needs to be capable of smelling the 
reagents". Humans
are provided with the sense of smelling for selection 
purposes. It helps us
searching for good tasting food. It provides 
warnings to keep away from
decaying carcasses or the presence of 
hazardous gases. Public safety relies
on warnings through odor, for 
example by putting an ethylmercaptane tracer
into propane or natural 
gas. Odor threshold data are used to provide a
preliminary measure for 
the concentration of volatiles in a given
environment.
I 
am not suggesting that a person with anosmia should be banned from all 
lab
work. But a careful evaluation of the type of work performed in the 
lab and
the available safeguards against chemical exposure should 
govern the work
assignment for the person. The affected person must be 
an active and
informed participant in that evaluation. An open 
discussion of all the
issues will help the person to better understand 
the risks involved. As a
result the person may agree to a transfer into 
a field of work where the
risk of exposure is much lower. The discussion
 will also increase the person
's awareness of potential risks during 
daily life and how to avoid exposure
hazards.
To 
Samuella's philosophy "Don't always believe what you think" I would 
add:
Don't think that all exposure problems can be solved through 
engineering.
Heinz H. Trebitz, Ph.D.
480 Colby Road 
N
Thetford Center, VT 05075
Tel: 802-785-2129
Fax: 802-785-2124
e-mail: iht63**At_Symbol_Here**valley.net
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