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Subject: Re: Thoughts on UCLA fatal accident.

Date: Aug 11, 2009 13:10 UTC

Author: List Moderator <ecgrants**At_Symbol_Here**UVM.EDU>

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Subject: Re: 2 Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove use in academic teaching labs

Date: Aug 11, 2009 14:48 UTC

Author: Margaret Rakas <mrakas**At_Symbol_Here**SMITH.EDU>

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From: Redden, Patricia <PREDDEN**At_Symbol_Here**SPC.EDU>

Subject: Re: 2 Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove use in academic teaching labs

Date: Aug 11, 2009 14:48 UTC

Reply-To: "Redden, Patricia"

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I completely agree with this "educator's" point of view.  Many of our experiments in general chemistry are using non-hazardous materials (yes, of course you can drown in or die from ingesting too much salt water, but ...).

Pat Redden


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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove use in academic teaching labs

From:   r.calhoun**At_Symbol_Here**moreheadstate.edu
Subject:        RE: [DCHAS-L] 2 Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove use in academic teaching 
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Date:   August 10, 2009 4:12:11 PM EDT

 >From an industrial standpoint (i.e. employers), you will help us
tremendously if those in education require gloves for all lab operations
short of keyboards.

> From an educator's point of view, requiring gloves for ALL lab 
> operations only teaches students that ALL chemicals are dangerous.  
> It does not teach the student to evaluate risk; to think about what 
> they are doing and what precautions they need to take.  In many ways 
> it fosters an atmosphere of carelessness and disregard for real 
> dangers.  If I make my students wear gloves when they determine the 
> density of salt water, they'll underestimate the danger when I make 
> them wear gloves for experiments where there is real risk.  Yes, it 
> is easier to make hard and fast rules - "Do This", even if it's not 
> really appropriate - than to look at each individual situation. But 
> if anyone ever told you teaching was easy, they lied.

Kay Calhoun

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