Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:31:38 -0500
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From: Betsy Shelton <retrosynthesis**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lab safety showers
In-Reply-To: <C8EC38AA.A141%gkroeme**At_Symbol_Here**linfield.edu>
I am currently involved in construction of two new laboratories and was
instructed by the city commercial building review department to include a 1
"
high curb around the shower area to keep hazmat from entering the floor
drain in the event of a spill. Also, the curb has to be sloped on both
sides to allow accessibility.
--
Best regards,
Betsy Shelton
512.636.1905
retrosynthesis**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Gordon Kroemer wrote
:
> I use a 55-gallon drum, too, but have installed a small pond pump with a
> hose that can be run to where needed. This way the drum doesn=92t need t
o be
> moved with the attendant spill OR injury issues. It is moved with an
> ordinary hand truck. This process is done monthly here and we can smell
the
> clorine in the water, so imho the system is well flushed.
>
> Gordon J. Kroemer, CSP, NRCC-CHO
> Director, Office of EHS
> Linfield College
> 900 SE Baker Street, A508
> McMinnville, OR 97128
> 503-883-2431
> 503-883-2204 fax
>
>
>
> On 23/10/10 13:04, "DAVID KATZ" wrote:
>
> At a previous place of employment, we took a 55-gallon drum, had it fitte
d
> with a standard water spigot on the side near the bottom, and built a car
t
> with wheels for it. The cart was high enough that a garden-type hose,
> attached to the spigot could be placed in a low sink so that the water co
uld
> easily be drained. The cart was low enough to avoid a high center of
> gravity, so it would not tip over easily. The wheels should be able to b
e
> locked. It was easy to roll the semi-filled drum to an appropriate sink,
> or, if one was close by, just place the end of the hose into it. We kept
> the hose short (under 10 feet) to keep it from being snaked across a room
.
>
> David
> _________________________________________________________________________
>
> David A. Katz
> Chemist, Educator, Expert Demonstrator, Science Communicator, and
> Consultant
> Programs and workshops for teachers, schools, museums, and the public
> 133 N. Desert Stream Dr. * Tucson, AZ 85745-2277 * USA
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> _________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Karen Smith >
>
> *To:* DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 8:51 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab safety showers
>
>
> Last May ANSI introduced standards that require an annual full 15
> minute flush and calculation of the flow rate of eye washes and
> showers. As the person that checks all 64 eyewashes/ showers on
> campus let me say that floor drains would've been a godsend. My
> showers will fill a 30 gallon bucket anywhere from 30 seconds to 1
> minute. I tried using a sump pump to direct the water into a sink,
> but those drains are overwhelmed in 3 minutes. Where I have windows
> that will open, I run the hose out the building. For those that I
> don't have windows I haven't come up with a good solution yet. Ideas
> anyone? Physical plant has told me just to run hose from the lab on
> the 3rd floor all the way through the building and out the front
> door. I understand the reasoning behind prohibiting floor drains -
> but can't they come up with drains that will remain closed until
> someone opens them?
>
>
> Karen Smith, CSMM
> Chemistry Stockroom Manager/ CHO
> Whitman College
> 345 Boyer Ave.
> Walla Walla, WA 99362
> 509 527-5272
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:21 PM, List Moderator wrote:
>
> > From: "Celia K. Williams"
> > Date: October 20, 2010 7:19:40 PM EDT
> > Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab safety showers
> >
> >
> > Has anyone recently installed safety showers in their labs? Do you
> > have any tips you may share. We are following the ANSI standard but
> > are there are recent guidelines?
> > Thanks
> > Celia
> >
> >
>
>
>
I am currently involved in construction of two new laboratories and was ins
tructed by the city commercial building review department to include a 1&qu
ot; high curb around the shower area to keep hazmat from entering the floor
drain in the event of a spill.=A0 Also, the curb has to be sloped on both
sides to allow accessibility.
--
Best regards,
Betsy Shelton
512.636.1905
retrosynthesis**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Gordon Kroemer
<gkroeme**At_Symbol_Here**linfield.e
du> wrote:
I use a 55-gallon drum, too, but have installed a small pond pump w
ith a hose that can be run to where needed. =A0This way the drum doesn=92t
need to be moved with the attendant spill OR injury issues. =A0It is moved
with an ordinary hand truck. =A0This process is done monthly here and we ca
n smell the clorine in the water, so imho the system is well flushed.
Gordon J. Kroemer, CSP, NRCC-CHO
Director, Office of EHS
Linfield College
900 SE Baker Street, A508
McMinnville, OR 97128
503-883-2431
503-883-2204 faxAt a previous place of employment, we took a 5
5-gallon drum, had it fitted with a standard water spigot on the side near
the bottom, and built a cart with wheels for it. =A0The cart was high enoug
h that a garden-type hose, attached to the spigot could be placed in a low
sink so that the water could easily be drained. The cart was low enough to
avoid a high center of gravity, so it would not tip over easily. =A0The whe
els should be able to be locked. =A0It was easy to roll the semi-filled dru
m to an appropriate sink, or, if one was close by, just place the end of th
e hose into it. =A0We kept the hose short (under 10 feet) to keep it from b
eing snaked across a room.
=A0
David
_________________________________________________________________________
=A0
=A0=A0David A. Katz =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
=A0=A0Chemist, Educator, Expert Demonstrator, Science Communicator, and Con
sultant =A0=A0
=A0=A0Programs and workshops for teachers, schools, museums, and the public
=A0=A0133 N. Desert Stream Dr. * Tucson, AZ 85745-2277 * =A0USA
=A0=A0voice/fax: (520) 624-2207 * email: dakatz45**At_Symbol_Here**msn.com
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Visit my web site: =A0http://www.chymist.com
_________________________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
=A0
From: Karen Smith <mailto:smithkl**At_Symbol_Here**WHITMAN.EDU> =A0
=A0
To: DCHAS-
L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
=A0
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:51 =A0AM
=A0
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab safety =A0showers
Last May ANSI introduced standards that require an annual full =A015 =A0
minute flush and calculation of the flow rate of eye washes =A0and =A0
showers. =A0As the person that checks all 64 eyewashes/ =A0showers on =A0
campus let me say that floor drains would've been a =A0godsend. =A0=A0M
y =A0
showers will fill a 30 gallon bucket =A0anywhere from 30 seconds to 1 =A0
minute. =A0=A0I tried using a =A0sump pump to direct the water into a sink,
=A0
but those drains are =A0overwhelmed in 3 minutes. =A0=A0Where I have window
s =A0
that will =A0open, I run the hose out the building. =A0=A0For those that I
=A0=A0
don't have windows I haven't come up with a good solution yet. =A0
=A0=A0Ideas =A0
anyone? =A0=A0Physical plant has told me just to run =A0hose from the lab o
n =A0
the 3rd floor all the way through the building =A0and out the front =A0
door. =A0=A0=A0I understand the reasoning =A0behind prohibiting floor drain
s - =A0
but can't they come up with drains =A0that will remain closed until =A0
someone opens them?
Karen =A0Smith, CSMM
Chemistry Stockroom Manager/ CHO
Whitman College
345 =A0Boyer Ave.
Walla Walla, WA 99362
509 527-5272
On Oct 20, 2010, at =A04:21 PM, List Moderator wrote:
> From: "Celia K. Williams" <ckvibe**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com>
> Date: October =A020, 2010 7:19:40 PM EDT
> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lab safety =A0showers
>
>
> Has anyone recently installed safety showers =A0in their labs? Do you<
br>
> have any tips you may share. We are following =A0the ANSI standard but
> are there are recent guidelines?
> =A0Thanks
> Celia
>
>
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