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From: Rob Toreki <info**At_Symbol_Here**ILPI.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
Date: May 18, 2018 13:35 UTC
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On May 18, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU> wrote:I wonder if they sell sticky traps in 8 foot lengths? I could block all the window access.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial HygienistPresident: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE181 Thompson St., #23New York, NY 10012 212-777-0062
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From: Richard Rosera <richardrosera**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Fri, May 18, 2018 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
The last mouse I got was with a glue trap. The little guy/gal was in the habit of climbing into my kitchen drawers near the sink. I put a glue trap in one of them, near the front of the drawer & left it there for several days. The little vermin got used to it & easily avoided it. Then I moved it to the back of the drawer & placed it such that it was in the path of easiest access for the little rodent. Bingo! I checked it the next morning, and the little fur ball was hopelessly stuck. I got a gallon size storage bag & deposited glue trap & victim in it, sealed it, then deposited it into the the trash. Mission accomplished!
Richard
On May 17, 2018, at 7:01 AM, Mary Beth Koza <mbkoza2**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM> wrote:
Monona,
Have you tried a glue trap? Here's a short story. When my kids were young we caught a mouse in the garage on a glue trap, the only problem was what to do with it until my husband came home. I am deathly afraid of rodents. I decided I could hit it on the head with a shovel. So I get the shovel and of course miss. I then proceeded to slam the floor many times until it was flat. I look up to see the entire neighborhood of kids watching. The story spread like fire " mrs koza killed a rat in her garage and she hit it many times".
Hoping you are successful!
Mary Beth
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 7:46 AM Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:
Barbara, In 50 years of living in a rodent-infested building that has twice gone into bankruptcy, once during which I had to get a booklet to learn how to run a #6 oil-burning boiler in order to keep heat and hot water coming despite the hoard of basement-dwelling Norway rats I needed to disperse every day to get to it, I can assure you I am familiar with the odor of dead rodents of every size.
And this experience helps me in my job for the film industry since abandoned buildings are a favorite area shooting movies. They want our workers to work in locations full of rodents, pigeon poop, lead paint, asbestos and other goodies. So my experience enables me to positively identify which of the three varieties of rodents here in the City, mice, Norway rats, or roof rats, are in the venue by looking at their poo.
But this is the first time in 50 years that a rodent has resisted all my rather experienced attempts to do it in. If this is a clue to future interaction between mice and humans in the City, we are in for a serious problem.
Our apartment has a floor-through configuration, so an open window at one end and an exhaust fan at the other keeps the air moving so fast it is hardly noticeable. I think the odor is more of a problem for people who live in homes that are insulated and have recirculating ventilation systems. Open windows and energy inefficiency is a much healthier way to live.
Thanks for worrying about me. It's a nice feeling.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial HygienistPresident: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSENew York, NY 10012 212-777-0062
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From: Barbara Ray <betaray1**At_Symbol_Here**VERIZON.NET>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 4:13 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
Monona,
I hope for your sake the mouse does not expire inside the walls. The odor could last for several weeks.You may need to book a long vacation while the smell abates. Your apartment decon of all the droppings and poisons sounds like it will take some time.
What's next- armored window screens or a pet boa constrictor??
Barbara Ray
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From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Wed, May 16, 2018 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
That was my concern. I saw our adversary when I was practicing last night. And she eats so much D-Con and Just-One-Bite that she leaves little bright green poopies around. I think she'd give a cat some major indigestion.
But last night I also didn't put out any D-Con and mixed the Just-One-Bite and the Tom Cat shavings. This morning it looks she's eaten quite a bit of the Tom Cat. I've pulled out an old aria from an obscure Handel oratorio called Ester that I hope to practice soon: It's Esther's Alleluia.
Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial HygienistPresident: Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSENew York, NY 10012 212-777-0062
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From: Lucy Dillman <lucydillman**At_Symbol_Here**COMCAST.NET>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Wed, May 16, 2018 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] mouse bait anyone?
One note of caution about using a cat to deal with the mouse. This mouse may have ingested and be loaded up with warfarin and/or coumadin. If the cat kills and eats the rodent, the cat can become very sick and even die from it. This happened to a neighbor's cat, caught a rat that had eaten the bait and the cat became the $1000 cat when it became so sick.
Lucy Dillman
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Meg Osterby <megosterby**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com> wrote:
Monona,Being from Wisconsin, as you are, you must know that releasing a mouse you live trapped would have two potential problems. First, if you don't take it several miles, or tens of miles, from where it was trapped, it will simply find its way back to where its "home" has been. Second, do you really want this multiply resistant animal out there in the environment to reproduce and pass her resistance to offspring who aren't immediately killed. So, if this live trapping scenario works, I'd suggest you put this critter down. (I'm well aware that some won't ever want to kill any animal, but since you've got traps out filled with poison baits, I doubt you'd have a problem destroying it on principle.)We often get mice and voles in the house in the fall, and one way we have caught several of them over the years is with an empty large coffee can, lying on its side, with some sort of food, apple would work, but we often use lunch meat, in the bottom. The critter runs in, and eats, and then you tip the can up. Once it has eaten in the can a couple of times, it's easy to bait it and sit and wait for it. It usually doesn't take long, and we've never had one be able to run up the inside of a large can. It's too slippery. So, we clap the lid on, take it outside, and terminate it using an object large enough to fit in the can and crush it instantly (like a log for the fireplace). I know it sounds nasty, but the critter dies quickly, and won't come back once it's dead. And, even though we end up sitting and waiting for it to take the bait, we've never had to wait more than half an hour, once the mouse has learned that it can get food in the can. For voles, the bait must be meat, like lunch meat, or cheese, or meat flavored dog or cat food. Voles don't eat plant materials, as they are carnivores. Some mice will prefer the same type of treat that the voles will go for, since mice are omnivores.However, many of our neighbors use a cat with success, and if you aren't allergic, and don't want a lifetime commitment to an animal in your home, you might be able to borrow one for a few days and nights from a friend who is a pet owner. You'll have to borrow one that hasn't been declawed though, or it won't be able to actually catch the mouse. And, the difficulty here, is that since your home invading mouse is full of poison, if the cat actually ate the mouse, you might end up having to explain to your friend how their pet died. Personally, knowing cat owners, I wouldn't want to risk killing a friend's pet.Good luck!!Meg Osterby
W831 County Road K
Stoddard, WI 54658
414-539-1543 (cell)
608-788-7951 (home)
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"It's better to be careful 100 times than to be killed once.." Mark TwainFrom: Dan Blunk
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:47 AMMonona,I suspect you would now miss the company of your four-legged friend, should you succeed in terminating it's existence.Providing you are prepared for the loss, I have a few suggestions.Based on the info provided, I suspect the mouse has learned to avoid recognized traps. It likely won't matter what bait is used, the bait won't overcome the trap avoidance.Nice don't free-drink water. They obtain water from the food they eat. Based on what it prefers to eat, I suspect the mouse is craving water.I'd be willing to bet a fresh apple slice would provide a scent and the moisture to be an effective attractant. But not for a trap the mouse knows to avoid.I recommend that you borrow or obtain a small live trap. The trap needs to be small to ensure the mouse can't escape the trap. Because they can compress their collar bones, mice can pass through an opening the size of a dime.While you're obtaining the trap, try and unfettered apple slice to see if the mouse takes it.Once you have a successful bait identified and a trap unfamiliar to the mouse, you need to train the mouse to the trap. If it becomes scared of the trap without being caught, you're back to square one.Put the successful bait near the new trap, but not in it. Next, fix the trap in a set position, but rigged so it doesn't trip. Put the successful bait inside until the mouse is accustomed to taking bait from the trap. Then set and bait the trap to catch the mouse.If it's a live trap, I suggest you offer your survivor friend a second chance outdoors. But, if you want to put it down, you can do so with dry ice and a plastic bag.Good luck!Dan