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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] SDS and label software

Date: Jul 15, 2019 16:31 UTC

Author: Dan Nowlan <dnowlan**At_Symbol_Here**BERRYMANPRODUCTS.COM>

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From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] SDS and label software

Date: Jul 15, 2019 17:33 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety

In-Reply-To: Re: [DCHAS-L] SDS and label software

Demystify: 


...some ingredients (glycerine, oleic acid, PIB) are not GHS-classifiable and in moderation truly don't contribute to any hazards.
 
I would just ask you to look at Sigma Aldrich's SDS on glycerin as a case in point.  Except for a couple of LD50s, NONE of the 10 SDS toxicity tests have ever been done on glycerin.  

The TLVs have been withdrawn for "insufficient data...."  And the MAK is only for inhalable mist.

There is some anecdotal stuff from RTECS noted on the SDS as:

RTECS: MA8050000
Prolonged or repeated exposure may cause:, Nausea, Headache, Vomiting, To the best of our knowledge, the chemical,
physical, and toxicological properties have not been thoroughly investigated.
Kidney - Irregularities - Based on Human Evidence

So why does everyone assume there are no toxic issues?  Because I can tell you that when you make it into a one micron mist, call it "haze" and suspend those particles in quantity on a stage, there are people who have issues.   

When are we going to finally consider the Precautionary Principle that says in the absence of data you cannot assume a chemical is safe?   And safe in ALL ways by ALL routes of entry?  That's just dumb.

To use a PROVEN example: Mineral oil is another "safe" chemical.  But mineral oil fog and haze has also been documented to cause EXACTLY what you would expect in those over exposed:   lipoid pneumonia.   

And while you my retire from ranting, I live to rant.     Monona


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Nowlan <dnowlan**At_Symbol_Here**BERRYMANPRODUCTS.COM>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2019 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] SDS and label software

Monona, you are correct in assuming that we do not sell into the theater, but we certainly have our own industry geniuses to consider.  We primarily sell automotive aftermarket chemicals, so my "secret ingredients" are typically going into fuel additives, engine oil top treats, and a few aerosol lubricants.
 
As I mentioned to another list member offline just a bit ago, these formulas are the result of thorough research, hard-to-come-by lab time, 20-something years of experience/expertise, etc.  These formulas are my babies; that's why I'm so protective of them.  I understand RTK/RTU.  I really do.  It's just frustrating to be held hostage for 100% disclosure when some ingredients (glycerine, oleic acid, PIB) are not GHS-classifiable and in moderation truly don't contribute to any hazards.
 
I said I'd quit ranting after the last e-mail.  I mean it this time.
 
Dan
 
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 9:26 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] SDS and label software
 
But don't forget to register it in New Jersey.  We watch for unregistered trade secret ingredients and make a fuss when needed.  
 
And while I'm sure the products you are talking about are not used in art or theater work, I can tell you as a union rep, any "trade secret" or "proprietary" ingredient means we are probably no going to approve of it for use.  Products used in art and theater rarely are used "as directed," so we dang need to know what's in it before the geniuses start to play with it.