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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] chemicals on shelves

Date: Feb 14, 2020 21:12 UTC

Author: Meg Osterby <megosterby**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] C&EN: Number of chemicals in commerce has been vastly underestimated

Date: Feb 14, 2020 22:06 UTC

Author: Rob Toreki <info**At_Symbol_Here**ILPI.COM>

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From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] C&EN: Number of chemicals in commerce has been vastly underestimated

Date: Feb 14, 2020 21:35 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety

In-Reply-To: Re: [DCHAS-L] C&EN: Number of chemicals in commerce has been vastly underestimated

Demystify: 

The answer to this problem of untested chemicals is:  

1.  Follow the Precautionary Principle which is the basis of all of the consumer regulations in the EU which means that "in the absence of data, you cannot assume a chemical is safe." So look at Section 11 of the SDSs of the chemicals you use.  If it has spaces for all 10 of the required tests as required in the EU and you see "no data available" in many, beware.  On the other hand, if you see a Section 11 with nothing much in it, perhaps only an LD50 or two, this means that the rotten company that sold you this chemical or consumer product is taking advantage of the US OSHA's omission of the EU SDS Section 11 rules for products sold internally.  The company couldn't do that if they wanted to export it.  So translate all that empty space to mean "no data available" and beware.

2.  Remember the basic truth of industrial hygiene: No one was ever harmed by a chemical to which they were not exposed!   So don't get in on your skin.  Don't get it on your thin mil nitrile gloves for more that a few seconds (many chemicals go through these gloves).  Use the chemical in a hood that is working properly to avoid any inhalation of the chemical.  And leave the lab and wash up before eating, drinking (even from that water bottle they can't pry out of your hands), applying makeup or any other personal task.

monona



-----Original Message-----
From: Reinhardt, Peter <peter.reinhardt**At_Symbol_Here**YALE.EDU>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] C&EN: Number of chemicals in commerce has been vastly underestimated

I'd like to add another point concerning scientists working in labs. In my conversations with scientists, the vast majority are unaware of this paucity of toxicity information. Further, they use and are potentially exposed to a much larger universe of research chemicals not used in commerce-and nearly all have no toxicity information. But they assume that if something is toxic, or related to a toxic chemical, it will be so labeled, or so indicated on the SDS. They aren't. (The SDS might say, "no data available.") In this case, the only safe use for most research chemicals is in the fume hood for volatile chemicals, or handled with gloves on the benchtop.
 
And in the real world, the fume hood is often too crowded so the work is done on the benchtop. If gloves are used, the likelihood of hand-to-face contact is nearly certain. (See Johnston, J.O., et al, The Influence of Risk Perception on Biosafety Level-2 Laboratory Workers' Hand-To-face Contact Behaviors. Journal of Occupational and Environmental Hygiene, Vol. 11, pp 62S-632, September 2014 who observed that researchers handling pathogens touched their face with their gloved hand 2.6 times an hour.)
 
Epidemiologically, we are unlikely to discover occupational chemical toxicity because disease may take years to manifest and it can be attributed to many other factors.
 
I don't want to frighten scientists, but I don't see the appropriate degree of awareness if this problem and care in their handling of chemicals.
 
Pete Reinhardt, Yale EHS
 
 
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 7:14 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] C&EN: Number of chemicals in commerce has been vastly underestimated
 
Agreed, and the big issue for me is that under US law, those untested chemicals can be labeled (and ARE labeled) "nontoxic."  The US law essentially makes chemicals innocent until proven guilty.  For example, untested benzidine, anthraquinone, and other suspect-class pigments are used in art materials without chronic testing and are labeled "nontoxic."  Some of these are in children's products.  
 
There is something really wrong with us over here.  The right to make money is superior to all other rights.  We are content to wait until enough humans are killed or sickened to constitute absolute proof that a chemical is hazardous before we allow it to be restricted or to carry a warning label.   We form groups to protect the lab rats and are content to take their place when we willingly expose ourselves to the untested chemicals.