From:
Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:
Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
Date:
Oct 13, 2020 19:05 UTC
Reply-To:
Monona Rossol
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Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
That was March. I was still on the road until March 8 in crowded conferences in stuffy hotels.
This is NOW. March 1-7 was decades ago as far as this pandemic is concerned
No one ever followed how many of the Florida cases came from Disney events because there was no significant tracking in March, April and even into May. Wouldn't be surprised if Disney was a big factor in Florida's peak. And that wouldn't be something that Disney would be publicizing.. So my guess is you saw the problem. And so did Disney. Disney's new "Achtung" approach to mask wearing is probably having a good effect.
Monona
-----Original Message-----
From: Zack Mansdorf <mansdorfz**At_Symbol_Here**BELLSOUTH.NET>
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
Suggesting 500,000 to 2,100,000 additional deaths is wild speculation.
Let me tell you about Disney. I was there for a week in March (March 1-7) just 2 days before the Governor force them to close. The park was at capacity each and every day. We had to park in the overflow lots each day. I was there with my son and his family (granddaughter) and her other grandparents. People in line were within inches of each other for each and every day. People at the park were from all parts of the World including Europe. There were hand rails and safety rails and guard rails in rides that we touched by everyone without cleaning. Most rides were also at capacity and people flowed in and out without cleaning. There were a very large number of kids including my granddaughter all running around (as would be expected). The restaurants were jammed. All the rides were jammed even with the special passes. No one had masks. No hand sanitizer. No mass of infections (as far as I know). Maybe all 50,000 of us were just lucky. I don't think so.
One last point that everyone knows that has dealt with taking a young child there. Many of the venues that were available were inside of buildings and again, very cramped quarters.
Zack Mansdorf
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of Reinhardt, Peter
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:32 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
I think it is unethical to advocate herd immunity because it would mean 500,000-2,100,000 preventable deaths in the U.S.
As safety professionals and human beings, we should support the use of simple safety measures (masks, distancing) to prevent even one death. That's ethics 101.
Regarding Disney World, being outdoors is a terrific mitigation measure for aerosol transmission. Winter will be challenge because we are indoors and the relative humidity is lower.
Pete Reinhardt, Yale EHS
I had a discussion with a friend who believes masks don't stop the spread and that full-on herd immunity is the way to go. He pointed out the lack of super spreading at Disney World as an example of concerns being overblown:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/business/disney-world-coronavirus.html (although there are some accusations of coverup and concerns about lack of contract tracing to people=E2=80™s home states).
When I looked into the Disney thing further, I was rather astonished:
https://www.disneytouristblog.com/faq-guide-face-masks-disney-world/ Disney has really tough mask rules with really high compliance. In other words, my friend's example strongly supported my contentions about mask usage, not his. But he didn't want to discuss it after I pointed this out.
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