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From: Yaritza Brinker <YBrinker**At_Symbol_Here**FELE.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
Date: Oct 13, 2020 20:54 UTC
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ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety
In-Reply-To: Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
I think it's gravely unethical to argue against herd immunity. Before you all lynch me� please put down your proverbial pitchforks and indulge me for a bit.
Vocabulary is important in all discussions. Especially true in hot-button ones.
From the CDC Glossary available at
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
Community immunity: A situation in which a sufficient proportion of a population is immune to an infectious disease (through vaccination and/or prior illness)
to make its spread from person to person unlikely. Even individuals not vaccinated (such as newborns and those with chronic illnesses) are offered some protection because the disease has little opportunity to spread within the community. Also known as herd
immunity.
So, I'll say it again� I think it's gravely unethical to argue against herd immunity.
The following article from Johns Hopkins argues about how best to achieve herd immunity. That IS the actual issue facing the nation.
https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html
Thank you,
Yaritza Brinker
260.827.5402
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 2:25 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
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Absolutely unethical. And I will be looking forward to the Disney stats this winter because of the indoor ventilation and sanitizing
issues. We know how to make it work indoors, but now we know the dang bug can last 28 days on a hard surface. Oy. Monona
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From: Reinhardt, Peter <peter.reinhardt**At_Symbol_Here**YALE.EDU>
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
I think it is unethical to advocate herd immunity because it would mean 500,000-2,100,000 preventable deaths in the U.S.
As safety professionals and human beings, we should support the use of simple safety measures (masks, distancing) to prevent even one death. That's ethics 101.
Regarding Disney World, being outdoors is a terrific mitigation measure for aerosol transmission. Winter will be challenge because we are indoors and the relative
humidity is lower.
Pete Reinhardt, Yale EHS
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ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> on behalf of Rob Torkei <info**At_Symbol_Here**ILPI.COM>
Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:46 AM
To: "DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU" <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Melbourne, Victoria, AU - Facial Coverings
Interesting article that addresses cultural differences: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2020/10/12/why-half-a-million-americans-will-die-from-covid-19/#5fc3fb8d1736
I had a discussion with a friend who believes masks don't stop the spread and that full-on herd immunity is the way to go. He pointed out the lack of super spreading
at Disney World as an example of concerns being overblown: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/business/disney-world-coronavirus.html
(although there are some accusations of coverup and concerns about lack of contract tracing to people's home states).
When I looked into the Disney thing further, I was rather astonished: https://www.disneytouristblog.com/faq-guide-face-masks-disney-world/
Disney has really tough mask rules with really high compliance. In other words, my friend's example strongly supported my contentions about mask usage, not his. But he didn't want to discuss it after I pointed this out.
Rob Toreki
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