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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove permeation chart - not company

Date: Sep 17, 2021 15:26 UTC

Author: Margaret Rakas <mrakas**At_Symbol_Here**SMITH.EDU>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove permeation chart - not company

Date: Sep 17, 2021 17:57 UTC

Author: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>

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From: John Callen <jbcallen**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove permeation chart - not company

Date: Sep 17, 2021 16:08 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety

In-Reply-To: Re: [DCHAS-L] Glove permeation chart - not company

Demystify: 

Jessica,

As per the replies to your request, the consensus is that you should work with the data as "manufacturer specific" and not "generic."

Here are two helpful information sheets from W. W. Grainger, Quick Tips #166 & #191 on chemical resistant gloves.

https://www.grainger.com/know-how/safety/ppe-in-the-workplace/hand-protection/kh-166-chemical-resistance-gloves-qt

https://www.grainger.com/know-how/safety/ppe-in-the-workplace/hand-protection/kh-safety-chemical-resistant-gloves-guide-191-qt?cm_sp=CM-Shop-_-inline-text-_-kh-166-chemical-resistance-gloves-qt-_-2020-05

Also, you may want to speak to someone at the Technical Service Department of any one of the following manufacturers and Grainger for help.

  • Ansell
  • Grainger (distributor)
  • Magid Glove & Safety (manufacturer/distributor)
  • MAPA
  • North by Honeywell
  • SHOWA

Good Luck!

Be Safe and Stay Healthy!

All My Best,

John B. Callen, Ph.D.
3M Personal Safety Division - Retired
ACS/DCHAS Founding Member
(312) 632-0195





On Sep 17, 2021, at 10:26, Margaret Rakas <mrakas**At_Symbol_Here**SMITH.EDU> wrote:

you also have to take into account the glove thickness, which could vary by brand.  Some nitrile gloves are 4 mm, others 8 mm...

I don't think I would want a generic chart, so much depends on the mfg.  And they have quite a bit of incentive to get it right...$$$$$

My two cents...

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 7:44 AM Zack Mansdorf <mansdorfz**At_Symbol_Here**bellsouth.net> wrote:
Nelson Schlatter (Ansell)

Zack Mansdorf

Sent from my iPhone 7

On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Bruce Van Scoy <bvanscoy**At_Symbol_Here**twc.com> wrote:

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Caution:  If you are going to be citing the NIOSH Recommendations for Chemical Protective Clothing for glove guidance - check when it was published, it is severely dated.

Monona is right, look at the individual glove manufacturer for testing permeation and degradation information.  If you do a Google search, you'll end up with generic information that will be unreliable - depending upon which glove has been specified. 

Suppliers and Google will provide generic "data" but nothing I would rely upon when you really need to confirm adequate protection. 

It's late and I can't remember the name of the organic chemist who started the testing work at Ansell.  He developed the first spreadsheet, which later turned into their database.  When I ran into a new molecule that was going to be tested for toxicity as an investigational new drug, if he could not refer to a very close analog to provide protection, I could send him a sample and he would test to provide a recommendation.  It depends upon what you are trying to protect against.  Is a generic, possibly diluted level of protection adequate or are you trying to protect from a true hazard?