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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Stockroom Security
Date: Aug 16, 2022 14:32 UTC
Author: Jeffrey Lewin <jclewin**At_Symbol_Here**MTU.EDU>
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Safety3] [External] [NAOSMM] Stockroom Security
Date: Aug 16, 2022 15:16 UTC
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Jim;
Nice presentation – carefully makes the case for going beyond compliance to secure things that need securing
against malicious intent.
I notice that there were no regulatory drivers shown, and that’s the thrust of the original question – absent
engagement by leadership on this issue and apparently lacking a more persuasive argument, can the stockroom manager use government regulation to force the issue?
John
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Safety3] [External] [NAOSMM] Stockroom Security
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As Sammye alludes to, this is more than taking the last item on the shelf. The bigger issue that the new chair has inadvertently raised is lab security.
I am attaching a security presentation from another lifetime that I gave that you may find helpful. The threat and vulnerability assessment steps are where you can mount a reasoned argument to the chair for limited access.
Happy to discuss further if anyone is interested.
James C Chang, CIH
Director of Safety and Environmental Health
University of Maryland Medical Center
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Baltimore, MD 21201
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Subject: Re: [Safety3] [External] [NAOSMM] Stockroom Security
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Jim - This is a battle I have fought, and it is really a tough one. One would think that common sense would win out over entitlement of faculty to pilfer at will, but alas that has not generally been my experience.
Heaven forbid that someone plans ahead and does not need to get into the stockroom after hours.
Are all your faculty background checked?
Is the non-denatured ethanol double locked? (this is regulated)
Are the acutely toxic chemicals secure? Is someone going to take something to do harm to themselves or others?
Is there a re-shelving procedure? Unlike re-shelving a book, chemicals might just surprise you if re-shelved incorrectly.
What if someone leaves the door unsecured?
What is the plan when a teaching lab does not have a reagent because the a faculty member took it for their research or contaminated it?
Are you willing to pay for unlabeled hazardous waste left in the stockroom.
Most importantly, if the faculty all have key access, it won't be long before they give the keys to a student for them to "go get something".
When I renovated our stockroom, I put chain link cages around the majority of the chemicals. As a compromise, only faculty with research labs could access by card reader, but they could not get to the chemicals in the locked cages.
If I sound cynical, I am. This is the worst idea ever....arghhhh.
Sammye
On 8/11/2022 11:16 AM, James Kaufman wrote: