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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Three new articles for ACS Chemical Health & Safety are available online.
Date: Aug 30, 2022 13:32 UTC
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All,
As EIC of ACS CHAS, I am interested in the conversation going on and it makes me think back to how the TTU incident was initially presented in CEN. Take a look a look at the depictions of the graduate student is this 2010 article Texas Tech Lessons (acs.org)
(https://cen.acs.org/articles/88/i34/Texas-Tech-Lessons.html).
Granted, this is a media article and not a peer reviewed article in a journal, but it does give a snapshot of where we were 12 years ago. You can go back on the listserv and see the various conversations about the 2010 on the incident (I found searching for
“Texas Tech” the most useful search term), but none of the DCHAS posts that I found addressed how the graduate student was portrayed.
The aim of the journal’s forthcoming Virtual Special Issue (VSI) is “Shifting Culture from Blame to Gain” and the view right now being expressed in the thread is that this is a “blame” paper. I can’t help but wonder if publishing that this incident even occurred
might be one of the first steps in the author’s shift toward “gain.” As these posts demonstrate, the fact that the PI is a co-author on this paper and publicly admitting to this incident in his lab, has opened him up for criticism. I hope whatever rebuttal-type
papers people put forth will help move the needle towards gain and not influence other potential authors to think that it would be better to say nothing than something because they may not “get it right.” That is not to say I feel people cannot disagree with
a paper, but I recognize that scientists around the world (and that means here in the US too) are at different points in their safety journeys and have different levels of financial and regulatory support that influence their actions. How do we, as a safety
community, honor progress at any point?
A couple of thoughts on moving the needle towards “gain.” Would anyone consider reaching out to the author and seeing if he is interested in teaming up to analyze why the student wasn’t wearing PPE and provide details about the PPE? This type of human factors
analysis is not obvious to everyone and many of you on this listserv have great experience with it. The VSI is still accepting new manuscript submissions and a paper that demonstrates that level of community thought and support would be something I suspect
has not been published in an academic journal thus far. Safety is, and always will be, a conversation, so how do we extend that conversation? How cool would it be for the CHAS audience to realize that when someone sticks their neck out there, and a point that
does not get addressed in the peer review process is published, which subsequently raises concerns, that we as an international safety community address it collaboratively?
One last point: I saw someone mention that they hope “dispose of outside the lab” means being picked up by a company for proper disposal. I have worked in many countries where waste disposal companies do not exist, nor do any regulations exist that direct how
the waste should be safely addressed. Waste disposal is a major topic that I would like the journal to address in the near future too.
Sincerely,
Mary Beth Mulcahy
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ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> on behalf of Schroeder, Imke <ischroeder**At_Symbol_Here**EHS.UCLA.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 4:51 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Three new articles for ACS Chemical Health & Safety are available online.
Dear all,
while I agree with you, please be mindful of cultural differences. The author is from India and clearly well-meaning. The issue, in this case, is with the review process of the paper that should have guided
the author in the right direction.
My best,
Imke
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ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> on behalf of Neal Langerman <chemsaf**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
Date: Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:48 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Three new articles for ACS Chemical Health & Safety are available online.
Jack
A thorough rebuttal to this is warranted. The authors sound more medically oriented than chemically. The N90 is really troublesome as is the implied expectation
that an SDS will address their specific use.
I look forward to your rebuttal and would be happy to review it before (or after) you submit it.
Neal
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 2:49 PM Jack Reidy <jreidy2**At_Symbol_Here**stanford.edu> wrote:
Chris,
My colleagues and I have been discussing the same thing. We plan to write a thorough analysis. Suffice to say that we do not agree with some of the methods and recommendations contained within the paper.
Sincerely,
Jack Reidy (he/him)
Research Safety Specialist, Assistant Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
Stanford University
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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of Kolodziej, Christopher
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Three new articles for ACS Chemical Health & Safety are available online.
That acryloyl chloride paper is the first one I’ve seen for the upcoming special issue on sharing incidents. I hope it’s intended to showcase the very beginning of the journey from ”blame to gain” because, after bemoaning the propensity for investigations to blame the victim and fail to identify underlying causes it seems to conclude that the incident occurred because the victim failed to wear their PPE (when none of the indicated PPE seems appropriate for protecting against inhalation of acryloyl chloride, assuming there was even any acryloyl chloride remaining in the reaction mixture when the exposure occurred)…
Chris
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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of Ralph Stuart
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 3:40 AM
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Subject: [DCHAS-L] Three new articles for ACS Chemical Health & Safety are available online.
LATEST ARTICLES
ASAP (As Soon As Publishable) articles are edited and published online ahead of issue publication.
Lauren Goulding and Jessica A. Martin
doi.org/10.1021/acs.chas.2c00062
Publication Date (Web): August 24, 2022
Analyzing the Risk: Balancing Safety and Efficiency in Laboratory Ventilation
John F. McCarthy, Matt A. Fragala and Brian J. Baker
doi.org/10.1021/acs.chas.1c00095
Publication Date (Web): August 23, 2022
Asama Pathan, Harun Patel, et al.
doi.org/10.1021/acs.chas.2c00036
Publication Date (Web): August 23, 2022
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