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Date: Oct 21, 2022 21:15 UTC

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Date: Oct 22, 2022 14:45 UTC

Author: Reinhardt, Peter <peter.reinhardt**At_Symbol_Here**YALE.EDU>

From: Alex Hagen <fischera**At_Symbol_Here**UW.EDU>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemical storage guidance for bases

Date: Oct 21, 2022 23:24 UTC

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Demystify: 

Thank you to all of you who reached out to me about this question. I was able to use your responses to have a fruitful discussion with the research faculty today and add more context to our current guidance.

 

I hope you all have a great weekend!

Regards,

~Alex

ALEX HAGEN

Laboratory Safety Inspection Program Manager

Environmental Health & Safety Department

206.221.2339

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of Michael McCutcheon
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:54 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemical storage guidance for bases

 

Hi Alex,

 Here’s my perspective and experience. In the laboratory setting, there are multiple drivers for segregation of chemicals; e.g. fire code, chemical reactivity, storage equipment compatibility, hazard communication, accessibility, efficiency, security, etc.  Often intuitional EHS policies have been “copy-past” from one version to another or one organization to another; resulting in loss of references or the “why” of a policy’s specification.  I think it would be good to review your policy and add in references or explanations for the policy—this would help with the questions.  A few chemical storage references that I use are listed below.

 As far as organic and inorganic base, they are not generally incompatible, however, I do segregate for the following reasons: 1. because the organic bases (generally alkyl amines) are combustible or flammable and we are compelled by code to store in a flammables safety cabinet.  Whereas inorganic bases are not flammable and take up valuable space in the cabinet. 2. Inorganic bases will corrode metals and for that reason should be stored in a (design specified) corrosives cabinet.  So, in this case the segregation drivers are fire code and storage equipment compatibility.

 References:

1.  Prudent Practices in the Laboratory, Handling and Management of Chemical Hazards, Updated Version, National Research Council (US) Committee on Prudent Practices in the Laboratory; Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2011.  See Chapter 5 (management of chemicals) and Supplemental Materials on CD.  Free access at the following URL.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK55878/ [ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

 

2.  Safe Storage of Laboratory Chemicals, 2nd Edition; David A. Pipitone (Editor); Wiley, 1991; ISBN: 978-0-471-51581-4

3.  Bretherick's Handbook of Reactive Chemical Hazards; L. Bretherick; 2016

 

 

Best,

 

Michael

 

J. Michael McCutcheon
Environmental, Health, and Safety

 

 

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:03:31 AM PDT, Dr Bob <drbob**At_Symbol_Here**flowsciences.com> wrote:

 

 

Hi Alex!

 

Segregating organic acids from inorganic acids may have operational justification inside any institution that has specific reasons for the segregation based on experience with whatever materials they are using.

 

These reasons may have little or nothing to do with the presence of carbon in the particular materials involved. I perceive the word “organic” here as a possible false flag.

 

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From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of Alex Hagen
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 12:23 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Chemical storage guidance for bases

 

Hello,

 

Our university’s current chemical storage guidance recommends segregating organic bases from inorganic bases. This has been called into question by one of our research faculty, so I am hoping to get some opinions on the practice from this group. I have noted that certain institutions include similar guidance in their chemical storage guidelines while others do not. Does anyone know of particular organic bases that are reactive with inorganic bases? We see very few organic bases on our campus, so this topic does not come up very often for us.

 

Any examples or feedback you can share with me are appreciated!

 

Regards,

ALEX HAGEN

Laboratory Safety Inspection Program Manager

fischera**At_Symbol_Here**uw.edu / www.ehs.washington.edu

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