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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] What is a working definition for eye level?

Date: Apr 27, 2023 20:14 UTC

Author: Alex Hagen <fischera**At_Symbol_Here**UW.EDU>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] What is a working definition for eye level?

Date: Apr 27, 2023 20:45 UTC

Author: Jeffrey Lewin <jclewin**At_Symbol_Here**MTU.EDU>

From: Doug Cody <dsc1950**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] EXTERNAL [DCHAS-L] What is a working definition for eye level?

Date: Apr 27, 2023 20:18 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>

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Demystify: 
I have never seen the use of an exact number for eye level for chemical storage. It is meant to make everyone understand that for safe storage chemicals they not be stored above eye level. In past conversations, most folks agree that average heights are well under 6 feet. Additionally, the recommendation is generally for any chemical that could potentially be injuries to the eyes and where practical.

Douglas S. Cody, CSP(Retired), CSHM, AA, BA, BS, MS, MA

Assistant Professor

Department of Engineering – Ammerman

Fire Protection Technology Program

Past President of American Society of Safety Professionals LI Chapter

Past Chair NYSUT Health & Safety Committee

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On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 3:52 PM <Beltis.Kevin**At_Symbol_Here**tiaxllc.com> wrote:
A quick internet search:
  • NYC Fire Code Guide, Code Development Unit, Bureau of Fire Prevention, April 28, 2021
    Frequently Asked Questions:
    Question: I have read the Fire Department rules that implement FC505.3 and 505.4, which require that apartment buildings and hotels have room numbers, hallway directional signs, and “fire emergency markings” on entrance and stairwell doors. The requirements differ depending on whether the building is sprinklered and has more than 8 apartments or guest rooms on a floor, and whether any apartment or guest room has more than one entrance on one or more floors. Frankly, I find the requirements confusing. Could you provide a simple explanation?
    Response: We will try to do so. The different standards for requiring installation of these new fire safety markings and signage resulted from compromises intended to minimize the burden of compliance. For example, it was agreed in drafting the 2014 Fire Code that building hallway directional signs, which are intended to speed a medical or other non-fire emergency response to a building, should not be required if the building has 8 or fewer apartments on a floor.
    ... compliance obligations ... may be summarized as follows:
    • Apartment/guest room entrance door identification. These are “eye-level” markings on the main entrance door to each dwelling unit in the building hallway (public) corridor. They are required in all buildings, whether or not they are sprinklered and regardless of the number of units on the floor. See FC505.3 and Fire Department rule 3 RCNY 505-01(c). Compliance is required by March 30, 2017. [N.B: Eye level in accompanying table - that had to be deleted  to listserv rules - shows the "eye-level" to be 48"-60".]
    • Lobby and hallway corridor directional signs. These are “eye-level” markings. They are required in all buildings that have more than 8 dwelling units on a floor whether or not they are sprinklered. There is an exception if all of the apartments are located in a single direction from the elevator lobby or stairwell. See FC505.3.2 and Fire Department rule 3 RCNY 505-01(d). Compliance is required by March 30, 2017.
  • A building code from a UK reference shows eye-level (for placement of glass decals) as follows: "Common practice for glass wall safety markings (decal) are to be applied in two locations. One between 32" and 40" above finish floor, and one between 55" and 63" above finish floor. That makes the glass visible for young and old, short people and tall people and even pets."
  • HVAC contractors set thermostat height (a reasonable indicator) to sit between 52 and 60 inches. (Anecdotally, the thermostats in my immediate vicinity are set at about 60 inches.)
  • Miami, Florida Building codes have as a reference: … eye level (five feet, six inches from grade)…

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If not already obvious, check the local building code in question. Seemingly 42" -60", the lower range may be required for ADA applications, some which say not to exceed 48."

Best regards,
-Kevin

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From:        "Frankie Wood-Black" <fwoodblack90**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>
To:        DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU
Date:        04/26/2023 01:41 PM
Subject:        EXTERNAL [DCHAS-L] What is a working definition for eye level?
Sent by:        "ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety" <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>




There are some standards that use the term "eye level"  - any one have a reference as to what that would mean from a practical standpoint?  Most of us have a particular idea - but I am looking for a reference.  And, would think this may have come up in an FAQ.


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