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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Keep All Your Emergency Contacts Information Current
Date: Aug 11, 2023 20:18 UTC
Author: davivid <davivid**At_Symbol_Here**WELL.COM>
Subject: [DCHAS-L] 2023 Workshop on Laboratory Safety, September 17-19, 2023 at UCLA
Date: Aug 14, 2023 16:43 UTC
Author: Schroeder, Imke <ischroeder**At_Symbol_Here**EHS.UCLA.EDU>
From: Daniel Jacques <jacques**At_Symbol_Here**GENESEO.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] [External] Re: [DCHAS-L] Seeking Literature on Safety Impacts of Transitioning from Online to In-Person Chemistry Labs
Date: Aug 12, 2023 13:31 UTC
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ACS Position on Science Education also has similar language:
- Require hands-on laboratory experiences that are accessible to students of all abilities, advance the learning of science, develop students’ problem-solving and critical thinking skills, and inspire students to pursue STEM careers. Recognize that although web-based and computer-simulated activities serve as valuable supplements and temporary alternatives when in-person learning is not possible, these substitutes are neither equivalent nor suitable as long-term replacements.
Marta
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] [External] Re: [DCHAS-L] Seeking Literature on Safety Impacts of Transitioning from Online to In-Person Chemistry Labs
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Hi Dan - You may be able to utilize the ACS CPT Guidelines for Approved Programs.
Section 5.2.1: Policy on Remote Laboratory Experiences
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Virtual/at-home/simulated labs can supplement but not replace in person experiences for the foundational and in-depth courses.
● Chemistry is an empirical science that requires the safe and effective physical manipulation of materials, equipment, and instrumentation. This
first person experiential expertise cannot be developed solely through simulations.On 8/8/2023 12:22 PM, Daniel Jacques wrote:
Ralph,
Good to hear from you and thank you for your insight. I'll do some further digging into JChemEd to explore the articles on home and student-led labs in the undergraduate curriculum, hoping it might offer some perspectives on safety considerations. It's intriguing to hear about and note the apparent bias against certain types of evidence in the chemistry literature, and finding resources that highlight that would be useful on their own.
-Dan Jacques
On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 2:45 PM Ralph Stuart <ralph**At_Symbol_Here**rstuartcih.org> wrote:
> While the above question points toward both the anecdotal and what seems like common sense, is there evidence of such in the literature? Despite several semesters of students transitioning from online to in-person chemistry labs these past few years, I've found no specific literature on this context.
No, there isn’t anything in the literature like this. In exploring the information in the chemistry literature about unexpected hazardous reactions, we have found that there the statistically-based literature is biased against such information, and even more so against epidemiological evidence of the kind you describe.
That said, there have been several articles in J Chem Ed about the role of home and student led labs in the undergrad curriculum, and you may be able to find information about the safety limitations of this kind of work there.
Good luck!
- Ralph
Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
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