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Date: Aug 11, 2023 20:18 UTC

Author: davivid <davivid**At_Symbol_Here**WELL.COM>

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Subject: [DCHAS-L] 2023 Workshop on Laboratory Safety, September 17-19, 2023 at UCLA

Date: Aug 14, 2023 16:43 UTC

Author: Schroeder, Imke <ischroeder**At_Symbol_Here**EHS.UCLA.EDU>

From: Daniel Jacques <jacques**At_Symbol_Here**GENESEO.EDU>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] [External] Re: [DCHAS-L] Seeking Literature on Safety Impacts of Transitioning from Online to In-Person Chemistry Labs

Date: Aug 12, 2023 13:31 UTC

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Demystify: 
Thank you for these resources Jeffrey and Marta, those articles and the ACS language helped to springboard me a further into some literature that begins to hint at the issues of safety considerations, but as Ralph indicated, there really isn't any really deep look into that and it's tough to find anything specific. The Accettone article references safety concerns via a journalistic article which really doesn't elaborate on the safety hypothesis presented. The Faulconer and Gruss digs in a bit more and directly references safety considerations, saying that remote hands-on labs have limitations in lab kits due to unsupervised nature and potential hazards, whereas online labs emphasize content but may overlook crucial safety protocols. Remote labs' safety varies based on the procedure and on-site supervision.

There are a couple of more references I found:
  • Accettone, S. L. (2021). Student perceptions of remote chemistry laboratory delivery models. Journal of Chemical Education, 99(2), 654-668.  https://doi.org/10.1021/acs.jchemed.1c00757
  • Faulconer, E. K., & Gruss, A. B. (2018). A review to weigh the pros and cons of online, remote, and distance science laboratory experiences. International Review of Research in Open and Distributed Learning, 19(2).  https://doi.org/10.19173/irrodl.v19i2.3386
These were found digging into the literature Jeffrey listed, but the Accettone article references safety concerns via a journalistic article which really doesn't elaborate on the safety hypothesis presented but it's rather interesting how much that in itself is cited. The Faulconer and Gruss digs in a bit more and directly references safety considerations, saying that remote hands-on labs have limitations in lab kits due to unsupervised nature and potential hazards and online labs emphasize content but may overlook crucial safety protocols. 

Thank you for getting me pointed in the right direction and while it a challenge that there isn't work on this question easily accessible quite yet, a solid research question has now popped up!

Much appreciated,
-Dan Jacques


On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 4:55 PM Gmurczyk, Marta <M_Gmurczyk**At_Symbol_Here**acs.org> wrote:

Dan:

ACS Position on Science Education  also has similar language:

  • Require hands-on laboratory experiences that are accessible to students of all abilities, advance the learning of science, develop students’ problem-solving and critical thinking skills, and inspire students to pursue STEM careers. Recognize that although web-based and computer-simulated activities serve as valuable supplements and temporary alternatives when in-person learning is not possible, these substitutes are neither equivalent nor suitable as long-term replacements.

Marta

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU> On Behalf Of Samuella Sigmann
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 3:25 PM
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [DCHAS-L] [External] Re: [DCHAS-L] Seeking Literature on Safety Impacts of Transitioning from Online to In-Person Chemistry Labs

 

[Actual Sender is owner-dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**princeton.edu]

Hi Dan - You may be able to utilize the ACS CPT Guidelines for Approved Programs.

Section 5.2.1: Policy on Remote Laboratory Experiences
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Virtual/at-home/simulated labs can supplement but not replace in person experiences for the foundational and in-depth courses.
● Chemistry is an empirical science that requires the safe and effective physical manipulation of materials, equipment, and instrumentation. This
first person experiential expertise cannot be developed solely through simulations.

https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/education/standards-guidelines/approval-program/guidelines-draft-sept2022.pdf


On 8/8/2023 12:22 PM, Daniel Jacques wrote:

Ralph,

 

Good to hear from you and thank you for your insight. I'll do some further digging into JChemEd to explore the articles on home and student-led labs in the undergraduate curriculum, hoping it might offer some perspectives on safety considerations. It's intriguing to hear about and note the apparent bias against certain types of evidence in the chemistry literature, and finding resources that highlight that would be useful on their own.

 

-Dan Jacques

 

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 2:45 PM Ralph Stuart <ralph**At_Symbol_Here**rstuartcih.org> wrote:

> While the above question points toward both the anecdotal and what seems like common sense, is there evidence of such in the literature? Despite several semesters of students transitioning from online to in-person chemistry labs these past few years, I've found no specific literature on this context.

No, there isn’t anything in the literature like this. In exploring the information in the chemistry literature about unexpected hazardous reactions, we have found that there the statistically-based literature is biased against such information, and even more so against epidemiological evidence of the kind you describe.

That said, there have been several articles in J Chem Ed about the role of home and student led labs in the undergrad curriculum, and you may be able to find information about the safety limitations of this kind of work there.

Good luck!

- Ralph

Ralph Stuart, CIH, CCHO
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