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Subject: [DCHAS-L] School Incident with Dry Ice

Date: Feb 25, 2024 00:30 UTC

Author: Monique Wilhelm <biocmst**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] School Incident with Dry Ice

Date: Feb 25, 2024 19:27 UTC

Author: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] School Incident with Dry Ice

Date: Feb 25, 2024 17:33 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>

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Demystify: 
I can’t think of any scenario with dry ice in this situation that would have caused this. You’d have to a significantly elevated level to feel something, at least 2,000 to 5,000 ppm, and the amount of CO2 you can bring into a classroom is what, a couple of pounds? The room would have to be hermetically sealed or you’d have to be huffing the stuff.

There’s either something massively left out of this story or it’s a case of chemophobic mass hysteria (guess that’s called mass psychogenic illness these days given the misogynistic origin/premise of the word hysteria). See, for example, https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2000/1215/p2655.html and  https://www.verywellmind.com/understanding-groupthink-2671595 

Similar reports have been seen in the literature, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10631279/ and there have been cases of MPI reported at vaccination centers as well https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12814329/ 

Rob Toreki

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On Feb 24, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Monique Wilhelm <biocmst**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM> wrote:


I do not have any additional details.  Although I do suggest anyone working with hazardous materials with groups (or otherwise) to do a risk assessment and have appropriate controls in place as well as plans for any incidents that could occur.
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