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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ChemLuminary Award Winner!!!!

Date: Aug 21, 2024 20:27 UTC

Author: Bonnie Charpentier <00001ddf2962c261-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>

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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ChemLuminary Award Winner!!!!

Date: Aug 22, 2024 08:19 UTC

Author: Abdolahi Mohamed Adawe <cadaawe100**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL.COM>

From: Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU>

Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Undergraduate Student Respirator Use?

Date: Aug 21, 2024 21:48 UTC

Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>

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Demystify: 
That's a really difficult set of circumstances.  I've been in the entertainment biz for over 80 years.  For the last 30 years I've been safety officer for the United Scenic Artists, Local USA829, IATSE.  I'm also the consultant for SAG-AFTRA, have been on the planning teams for over 80 art and performing arts buildings, and do expert witness in these areas.

 After a fatal load-in accident, I was consulted by the Yale School of Drama.  When I finished, there was a respiratory protection program in place for students -- don't know if it is still in place.  All my reports on the universities I've inspected or planned new facilities for had recommendations to put the students into a regular OSHA respiratory protection plan.   Did they actually do it?   Maybe a handful did.  And my reasons for these recommendations were not only to protect the students, but as part of their education.

If the school is going to grant students a degree that says they are now ready for a career in technical theater and they haven't learned how to properly wear a respirator and they don't know the safety laws that apply to their craft, the school is engaging in fraud.  Those students are NOT prepared to go into this profession.  I know three art students at one school that sued their school for fraud because they did not provide proper safety precautions and information.  They got their tuition back on this basis.  There are confidentiality agreements on these settlements, but I can tell you that this happened.

OSHA's regulations usually only apply to employees.  But students come under liability.   If there is an OSHA regulation requiring protection of a worker under certain circumstances, and the school exposes students to the same hazard with no protection, if any student develops and illness or is injured, that's an easy lawsuit to win for the plaintiff. 

I am not only advocating for students being in a respiratory protection program, but being included in all the formal hazcom training, SDS reading, ladder use, and the whole list of required OSHA trainings.

Your common sense is telling the right thing when you say: "It seems like best practice would be to have students follow the same rules for wearing respirators as employees, if they’re doing the same tasks in the same atmosphere..."   
But you are going to find a LOT of serious resistance to common sense.  As strong as I feel about this issue, I also know you'll probably lose your job if you pursue this.  I have seen it over and over. On the other hand, if you find a way to win this battle, write it up.  The academic world needs to hear it.

Monona

On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 03:24:07 PM EDT, Nora Dunkel <noradunkel51**At_Symbol_Here**webster.edu> wrote:


Is anyone aware of a university whose respiratory protection plan specifically includes students?  My employer (a small, liberal arts university with a highly active theater department) has a lot of student shops, where ventilation is inadequate or whose dust collectors can’t keep up.  There’s also a lot of spray paint use.  I’m working to develop a respiratory protection plan that addresses the need for student respirator use (N95’s, mainly).  I’ve received pushback from a few deans, asking for evidence that other universities require their students to wear respirators in theater/fine arts/communications  contexts, particularly in wood shops. 

 

I’ve found a few institutions where the RPP explicitly permits students to *voluntarily* wear a respirator, but are there any that have rules governing *required* student use of respirators in the face of actual hazardous air contaminants?  These are situations where an employee would absolutely be required to wear an N95 or P100.  It seems like best practice would be to have students follow the same rules for wearing respirators as employees, if they’re doing the same tasks in the same atmosphere…but I can’t seem to find anything that explicitly addresses this issue.

 

The administration is unwilling to move forward and approve student respirator use without evidence that other schools do it too.  Asking the students to leave the shop and have W2 employees take over when the wood dust levels get too high is both impractical and rude to the students, who are supposed to be learning by doing.  Long term, the answer would be to improve ventilation, etc., but that’s not in the cards financially at this point.

 

Any suggestions are appreciated.

 

Thanks for your time!

 

Nora Dunkel, CHMM

Chemical Safety Officer

Webster University

Office:  Browning Hall/ISB 314

314-246-2244 (desk)

noradunkel51**At_Symbol_Here**webster.edu

 

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