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Subject: [DCHAS-L] AIHA Occupational and Environmental Exposures of Skin to Chemicals (OEESC) Conference 2024
Date: Aug 23, 2024 16:34 UTC
Author: Gmurczyk, Marta <M_Gmurczyk**At_Symbol_Here**ACS.ORG>
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Question about solvent-soaked rags
Date: Aug 23, 2024 19:13 UTC
Author: Tricia Hahn <THahn**At_Symbol_Here**JBU.EDU>
From: Kleinman, Michael <mtkleinm**At_Symbol_Here**HS.UCI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Undergraduate Student Respirator Use?
Date: Aug 23, 2024 17:05 UTC
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This has been an interesting discussion. However, it is important to keep in mind what the occupational standards do. The time weighted average (TWA) exposure limits for a physical substance are set to protect adult workers who are exposed to that substance for 8hr/day, 5 days/week for their entire (~30 year) working lives. So, if someone is exposed to 1000 ppm to a VOC for 1 hr per day and 10 ppm for the other 7 hrs, their TWA = (1000 x 1 hr + 10 x 7 hr) / 8 hr = 133.75 pm. So, if we are considering workers exposed to a VOC under the proposed scenario with permitted exposure limit of 500 ppm, they would not be considered to have exceeded their limit.
There are lots of ways to reduce the potential hazards for workers and students.
As a point of information, the ACGIH publishes a book of Threshold Limit Values, which can help when evaluating product components. The appendix contains explanations and guidance about how to make the best use of health guidelines.
Michael T. Kleinman
Department of Environmental and Occupational Health
Wen Public Health
University of California, Irvine
856 Medical Sciences Quad
Irvine CA 92697-1830
Monona, Thanks, and you’re right, we're not preparing them for the work force. Everyone in all disciplines should have to take a risk assessment course. I was going to mention incorporating respiratory protection into the curriculum would be the best case, but I want to keep my job =).
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2024 1:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Undergraduate Student Respirator Use?
Right on, James, Monona
On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 11:37:18 AM EDT, James Saccardo <james.saccardo**At_Symbol_Here**csi.cuny.edu> wrote:
You not going to find anything addressing students because labor laws only cover employees, but yes, they should be afforded the same protection as employees. Sound like the program lacks good safety culture.
As for defaulting to PPE, remember engineering and administrative control should be used first, PPE is a last line of defense. A respiration protection plan can be complicated and a good deal of work (time and money) that it might be more cost effective in the long run to upgrade the ventilation.
If the hazard can be mitigated with admin and engineering controls, it should. The VOC in the spray paint will be most difficult N95's won't work, you will have to do monitoring, use carbon absorption cartridges, and not rely on breakthrough for change outs.
Perhaps if they do not have the proper engineering controls, they should not be doing this work.
Just my $0.02
James
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**Princeton.EDU>
on behalf of Nora Dunkel <noradunkel51**At_Symbol_Here**WEBSTER.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2024 1:02 PM
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Subject: [DCHAS-L] Undergraduate Student Respirator Use?
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Is anyone aware of a university whose respiratory protection plan specifically includes students? My employer (a small, liberal arts university with a highly active theater department) has a lot of student shops, where ventilation is inadequate or whose dust collectors can’t keep up. There’s also a lot of spray paint use. I’m working to develop a respiratory protection plan that addresses the need for student respirator use (N95’s, mainly). I’ve received pushback from a few deans, asking for evidence that other universities require their students to wear respirators in theater/fine arts/communications contexts, particularly in wood shops.
I’ve found a few institutions where the RPP explicitly permits students to *voluntarily* wear a respirator, but are there any that have rules governing *required* student use of respirators in the face of actual hazardous air contaminants? These are situations where an employee would absolutely be required to wear an N95 or P100. It seems like best practice would be to have students follow the same rules for wearing respirators as employees, if they’re doing the same tasks in the same atmosphere…but I can’t seem to find anything that explicitly addresses this issue.
The administration is unwilling to move forward and approve student respirator use without evidence that other schools do it too. Asking the students to leave the shop and have W2 employees take over when the wood dust levels get too high is both impractical and rude to the students, who are supposed to be learning by doing. Long term, the answer would be to improve ventilation, etc., but that’s not in the cards financially at this point.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks for your time!
Nora Dunkel, CHMM
Chemical Safety Officer
Webster University
Office: Browning Hall/ISB 314
314-246-2244 (desk)
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