Lucy,  Don't be to hard on people for not fit testing during the pandemic.  It was hard to get all the services needed and a women named Lisa Brosseau and her colleagues did a study that showed that naive users who were not fit tested or trained could still get a higher protection factor wearing N95s than surgical or other types of masks.    Yes, it is best to do this right, but even wrong, intelligent people can get pretty good protection with N95s.  (PS., not the KN95s with the ear loops, but the straps.)

Monona

On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 06:33:01 PM EDT, Lucy Dillman <00001de1f67f125c-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:

Where I worked, when I still worked, in order to wear a respirator, including N-95, we had to be fit tested for it.  I don't know how many students and staff you have who need a respirator, but that could add up to a rather large task.  One size doesn't fit all, and I found it very interesting during the Covid years that we kept being told to wear an N-95.

Lucy Dillman

On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 11:30 AM Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:

Right on, James,   Monona

On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 11:37:18 AM EDT, James Saccardo <james.saccardo**At_Symbol_Here**csi.cuny.edu> wrote:

You not going to find anything addressing students because labor laws only cover employees, but yes, they should be afforded the same protection as employees. Sound like the program lacks good safety culture.

As for defaulting to PPE, remember engineering and administrative control should be used first, PPE is a last line of defense.  A respiration protection plan can be complicated and a good deal of work (time and money) that it might be more cost effective in the long run to upgrade the ventilation.

If the hazard can be mitigated with admin and engineering controls, it should. The VOC in the spray paint will be most difficult N95's won't work, you will have to do monitoring, use carbon absorption cartridges, and not rely on breakthrough for change outs.

Perhaps if they do not have the proper engineering controls, they should not be doing this work.

Just my $0.02

James

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Is anyone aware of a university whose respiratory protection plan specifically includes students?  My employer (a small, liberal arts university with a highly active theater department) has a lot of student shops, where ventilation is inadequate or whose dust collectors can’t keep up.  There’s also a lot of spray paint use.  I’m working to develop a respiratory protection plan that addresses the need for student respirator use (N95’s, mainly).  I’ve received pushback from a few deans, asking for evidence that other universities require their students to wear respirators in theater/fine arts/communications  contexts, particularly in wood shops. 

 

I’ve found a few institutions where the RPP explicitly permits students to *voluntarily* wear a respirator, but are there any that have rules governing *required* student use of respirators in the face of actual hazardous air contaminants?  These are situations where an employee would absolutely be required to wear an N95 or P100.  It seems like best practice would be to have students follow the same rules for wearing respirators as employees, if they’re doing the same tasks in the same atmosphere…but I can’t seem to find anything that explicitly addresses this issue.

 

The administration is unwilling to move forward and approve student respirator use without evidence that other schools do it too.  Asking the students to leave the shop and have W2 employees take over when the wood dust levels get too high is both impractical and rude to the students, who are supposed to be learning by doing.  Long term, the answer would be to improve ventilation, etc., but that’s not in the cards financially at this point.

 

Any suggestions are appreciated.

 

Thanks for your time!

 

Nora Dunkel, CHMM

Chemical Safety Officer

Webster University

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314-246-2244 (desk)

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