All - I popped this out earlier but I'm not sure if it went where it was 
intended......

Let me support Dr. Young's statement -

Since Dominican University is located in River Forrest Illinois, how 
about contacting someone in the Illinois EPA ?

Below is a contact listed on the their website, www.epa.state.il.us/. We 
all have experience and/or great ideas, but.......this might be the best 
place for Kathleen to start.

On their site it states: "For information on mercury product laws and 
regulations in Illinois, please contact Becky Jayne at 217-524-9642."

They also have asbestos information on their site with phone numbers and 
other contact info. (Illinois EPA Asbestos Unit).

Don A. Long
CHO / STS
Southwest Research Institute Laboratory
Pine Bluff Chemical Agent Disposal Facility
PO Box 20130
White Hall, AR  71612
870-541-4930


-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU]On Behalf Of
Dr. Jay A. Young
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:24 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Mercury cleanup by a contracted vendor

To Carl and the others who are telling Kathleen what to do:

I recommend that you kind people be a bit more cautious.  Some of the 
advice 
that you are giving sure looks like legal advice to me.  It is not a 
good 
idea for a person who is not an attorney to give legal advice to another 

person.

Jay Young
************************
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Zipfel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Mercury cleanup by a contracted vendor

>I do not believe that this statement is correct.  This is totally 
dependent
> on the amount of authority that you exercise over the contractor's
> employees.  If hire a contractor for a specific job spelled out in the
> contract, and  you do not give individual orders, or assign individual 

> work,
> you have limited, if any, OSHA responsibility (caveat: state 
regulations
> could differ).  You are not hiring someone, you are contracting a 
service.
> The big IF here is:  If the contractor exposes your employees to 
hazards
> then you do have an OSHA obligation to your employees.  Here are some 
> things
> to consider for now and in the future:
>
> 1 - Get, and keep, your people away from this job.
> 2 - Shut the job down until the contractor agrees to operate in 
accordance
> with regulations
> 3 - Make a determination that the contractor is capable of doing the 
job
> 4 - In the future these two requirements should be written into any 
> purchase
> orders or contract.
> 5 - Do not assume any direct responsibility in overseen the 
> moment-to-moment
> work assignments for the job, or direct employee job assignments.  Set
> standards of performance, and then write them into the contract, then 
step
> back and let the contractor do his job.  Monitor the job to make sure 
that
> the contractor is fulfilling his agreed to performances, but do not 
direct
> his employees.
> 6 - Contact your attorney to determine what legal course of action, if 

> any,
> that you may want to take against the contractor.  Do not contact OSHA
> without your attorney's advice.  You are under no obligations to 
contact
> OSHA.
> 7 - You are under an obligation to protect your people (see item #1).  
You
> are under no legal obligation to protect another employer's people, 
unless
> you assume those obligations (i.e. temporary employees hired from a 
temp
> agency)
> 8 - Always make sure that any contractors that you hire cover they 
> employees
> with workers compensation insurance.
> 9 - Always make sure that any contractors that you hire have 
performance
> insurance, and environmental liability insurance (if required).
> 10 - Have a written contractor's procedure that spells out you 
> requirements,
> and requires disclosure from them.
> 11 - I'm sure there are some other things, but these are the one that 
I 
> can
> remember at this moment.
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf 
Of
> Nunn, Nate
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:20 PM
> To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Mercury cleanup by a contracted vendor
>
> Kathleen,
>
> Under the regulations any vendor working for you on this or other
> projects is considered to be your employee.  You are responsible for
> making sure they are in compliance with all appropriate regulations.  
If
> you knowingly allow work to continue in violation of safety or health
> standards your employer, and in some cases you can be held liable in
> civil and where appropriate criminal court.  If you know they are
> violating government regulations you are required to take appropriate
> actions including if necessary shutting down their work.
>
> NATHAN J. NUNN
> EHS Director
>
> TestAmerica
> THE LEADER IN ENVIRONMENTAL TESTING
>
> Cell: 832.746.4976
> Toll Free: 877.785.7233
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf 
Of
> Dr. Jay A. Young
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:45 PM
> To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Mercury cleanup by a contracted vendor
>
> Kathleen,
>
> Get a lawyer as quick as you can.
>
> Jay Young
>
> PS: It may already be too late.  Get that attorney the day before
> yesterday.
> ****************************************
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Schmidt-Nebril, Kathleen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Mercury cleanup by a contracted vendor
>
>
> Currently I am the Dominican University CHO and am looking for 
comments,
>
> advice and/or resources to address the a situation I found myself in
> today.
> Our Physical Plant had hired an abatement contractor to clear our an 
old
>
> science building lab that had a known asbestos and Hg problem.  When I
> arrived on the scene to pick up another item this contractor had their
> crew
> of 5-7 non English speaking workers tearing out cabinets, counters etc
> in
> the contaminated room with absolutely no ventilation and only 2 
workers
> wearing respirators for Hg toxic vapors?  The room itself was sealed 
in
> plastic and about 80F so I just knew the Hg vapor reading would be sky
> high.
> They had the room sealed because they had to keep the asbetos dust in?
> The
> company had an available Luminox instrument to detect air conc. of Hg
> and I
> insisted they stop work and check the room.  Of course the reading was
> off
> the chart with the unit min allowed Hg conc being 1000( not sure of 
the
> unit) we read at 45000!  I made quite a fuss to the vendor about their
> worker's safety and insisted the room be ventilated and work stop 
until
> levels were within allowable range. At the same time other contracted
> vendors were showing up to do work in the room and I recommended they
> wait
> for safe levels. These were not vendors I had contracted but I
> definitely
> could tell they had a total disregard for their own crews safety and
> safety
> in general.  How liable are we for contracted vendors safety?  Can we 
be
>
> held responsible for their workers becoming ill from exposure since 
they
> are
> not our employees?  I was hoping someone out there can help me 
establish
> a
> strong case for safety to my employer with any website references or
> info
> you may have in these situations.
>
> Thank You
> Kathleen Schmidt-Nebril
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DCHAS-L Discussion List on behalf of Chrismarlowe
> Sent: Sat 3/7/2009 7:58 AM
> To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Amorphous silicone dioxide silica
>
> Paul:
>
> WRT: "what do I say next time he wants to order in bulk!?"
>
> Tell him, "Yes. The institution supports purchase in bulk as long as:
>
> - The department will really use that much chemical long before it 
goes
> bad
> and
>
> - The department has the physical and procedural ability to manage the
> material and its hazards."
>
> Stay healthy,
>
> Chris Marlowe
> 42 Highlander Dr
> Scotch Plains, NJ  07076
> 908 / 754 - 5160 (home)
> 732 / 539 - 8128 (cell)
> Krismarlowe**At_Symbol_Here**Verizon.net
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