John, I cannot speak to NFPA requirements on flammable liquid use in chemic al fume hoods, but... I can say that NFPA Codes/Standards do indicate sprinklers in gas cabinets + exhaust ducting for pyrophoric gas use and/or semiconductor research / ma nufacturing. See NFPA 45 and NFPA 318, respectively. I also see mention o f sprinklers in paint booths and associated exhaust systems. Perhaps the i nsurer views the hoods you mention as analogous to paint booth operations? Alternatively, if these hoods are more storage than operations, then the a nalogy is drawn to inside liquid storage room per NFPA 30. Whatever the case, I'd ask the insurer to cite you chapter and verse for re commendations for upgrades. All the best, -Nick ___________________________________ Nicholas J.=A0Tsiakals Division of Research Safety Chemical Safety Section University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (217) 244 - 0682 www.drs.illinois.edu =A0 "If we don't train students in risk management and safety procedures, then we're not training them for employment in modern industry.=A0 If we want so meone to turn up in a job and be productive, they can't do that if they're not safety aware."=A0 =A0=A0=A0 -- Prof. Thomas Welton, Head, Department of Chemistry, Imperial C ollege London -- -----Original Message----- From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of Ar vedson, Steve Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 1:53 PM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs We use a water-mist system in our larger hoods (floor-mounted and scale-up) . The system was provided by Marioff, now part of United Technologies Corp (UTC) (http://www.hi-fog.com). The advantages are that it minimizes damag e to equipment (including electronics) in the hoods, minimizes smoke damage , and extinguishes the fire very quickly. It is more effective than regula r sprinklers at extinguishing flammable and combustible liquid fires. The chemists accept it because the total volume of water is small and there isn 't water raining down on their equipment and chemicals. Steve Arvedson Senior Manager, Research Operations Chemistry Research & Discovery Amgen Inc. One Amgen Center Drive Mail Stop 29-2-C Thousand Oaks, CA 91320-1799 -----Original Message----- From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU] On Behalf Of Jo hn_Bristol**At_Symbol_Here**EISAI.COM Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:22 AM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs While on the topic of sprinkler systems, what is everyone's view on sprinkler systems installed inside a fume hood? This has been a topic that our insurer has batted around with us for years. They would like to recommend sprinklers be installed inside fume hoods where larger volumes of flammable solvents are used (such as floor-to-ceiling fume hoods in our scale-up labs and waste accumulation rooms). Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, John John Bristol Director, Environmental Health and Safety Andover Site Operations Unit Eisai Inc. Four Corporate Drive Andover, MA 01810 From: "House, Katherine C."
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Date: 05/18/2010 01:13 PM Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs Sent by: DCHAS-L Discussion List We use these folks for our entire plant. I'm not sure if Knoxville is in his territory, but I'm sure he would send you in the right direction. Billy Cole SimplexGrinnell LP (919) 279-6400 (919) 219-4850 I would also recommend these folks; again I'm not sure if Knoxville is in her area, but I'm sure she'd make a referal. Erin O'Kelley ADT Security (919) 388-5482 eokelley**At_Symbol_Here**adt.com Either way, I'd check with your facilities folks to see which vendors are used in other parts of the university. You might get better service this way and it's definitely easier to work with only one vendor. If they don't have someone they recommend, you want to make sure you find a vendor that understand the safety needs of a laboratory. Cheers, Katherine C. House, CCHO Laboratory Coordinator Chemical Hygiene Officer Cormetech, Inc. 5000 International Drive Durham, NC 27712 919.620.3044 (office) 919.815.2024 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of paracelcusbombastusvon**At_Symbol_Here**juno.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:59 AM To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs Contact a local sprinkler design and engineering or fire engineering consultant in addition to your insurer. Lynn Knudtson ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Al Hazari To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:19:13 -0400 The University of Tennessee, Knoxville is renovating three biology labs to be used Wet Chemistry Research Labs. Any recommendations for a sprinkler system in the new labs ? Thanks. Al Hazari ____________________________________________________________ Refi - Low as 3.38% APR Homeowners: Refi before rates rise. $300k for $1,306/mo. No SSN req'd http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4bf28f4a6439e572434st05vuc *****Eisai Disclaimer***** This e-mail message may contain privileged, confidential and/or proprietary information of Eisai. If you believe that it has been sent to you in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message including any attachments, without copying, using, or distributing any of the information contained therein. This e-mail message should not be interpreted to include a digital or electronic signature that can be used to authenticate an agreement, contract or other legal document, nor to reflect an intention to be bound to any legally-binding agreement or contract.
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