Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:15:12 -0500
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From: "Benedict, Kathryn Grace" <katbene**At_Symbol_Here**ILLINOIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs
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John,
Back when I was a pharma safety person, we had dry chem.. extinguishing sys
tems in our scale-up lab fume hoods. I know the company's new research labs
 in England had water suppression systems in all research lab fume hoods- b
ut don't recall the rationale(it may be a requirement there).

With our drychem systems I can recall two system activations - one a real f
ire that tripped the system, and one a situation where high temperatures me
lted the fusible link.

In both cases the system appears to have operated as designed. The real fir
e situation happened during a large scale chromatographic isolation where l
arge volumes of solvent were in use. The drychem put the fire out immediate
ly, got everyone's attention, and was a real bear to clean up. It did take 
a few days to recharge the system.

I'm sure there are some downsides to dry chem, especially if you have hot e
quipment and the possibility for re-ignition exists. 

Hope this helps. 
Kathy

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bert Mann
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:06 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs

Water sprinklers are not that good for flammable liquid fires.  AFFF foam o
r
CO2 is better for flammable liquids

Robert Mann
Occupational Safety Coordinator
Institute for Genomic Biology
Room 1630
University of Illinois
1206 W. Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
Office: 217-244-8346
Cell: 217-493-9651
 
-----Original Message-----
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John_Bristol**At_Symbol_Here**EISAI.COM
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:22 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs

While on the topic of sprinkler systems, what is everyone's view on
sprinkler systems installed inside a fume hood?  This has been a topic that
our insurer has batted around with us for years.  They would like to
recommend sprinklers be installed inside fume hoods where larger volumes of
flammable solvents are used (such as floor-to-ceiling fume hoods in our
scale-up labs and waste accumulation rooms).

Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks,
John

John Bristol
Director, Environmental Health and Safety
Andover Site Operations Unit
Eisai Inc.
Four Corporate Drive
Andover, MA  01810


 

  From:       "House, Katherine C." 

 

  To:         DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU

 

  Date:       05/18/2010 01:13 PM

 

  Subject:    Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs

 

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We use these folks for our entire plant.  I'm not sure if Knoxville is in
his territory, but I'm sure he would send you in the right direction.
Billy Cole
SimplexGrinnell LP
(919) 279-6400
(919) 219-4850
I would also recommend these folks; again I'm not sure if Knoxville is in
her area, but I'm sure she'd make a referal.
Erin O'Kelley
ADT Security
(919) 388-5482
eokelley**At_Symbol_Here**adt.com
Either way, I'd check with your facilities folks to see which vendors are
used in other parts of the university.  You might get better service this
way and it's definitely easier to work with only one vendor.  If they don't
have someone they recommend, you want to make sure you find a vendor that
understand the safety needs of a laboratory.
Cheers,

Katherine C. House, CCHO
Laboratory Coordinator
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Cormetech, Inc.
5000 International Drive
Durham, NC 27712
919.620.3044 (office)
919.815.2024 (mobile)

-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of
paracelcusbombastusvon**At_Symbol_Here**juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:59 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs

Contact a local sprinkler design and engineering or fire engineering
consultant in addition to your insurer.
Lynn Knudtson

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Al Hazari 
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**LIST.UVM.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Sprinkler System in Wet Chemistry Research Labs
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:19:13 -0400

The University of Tennessee, Knoxville is renovating three biology labs
to be used Wet Chemistry Research Labs. Any recommendations for a
sprinkler system in the new labs ?  Thanks.    Al Hazari

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