Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:25:51 -0400
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From: Fred Simmons <fred.simmons**At_Symbol_Here**SRS.GOV>
Subject: Re: Phenol/cresol first aid question
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The take-home message that I've always used when it comes to cleansing the 
skin after contact is:  "The Solution is Dilution!" 

The assumption that phenol laden water is created is correct, however, the 
concentration diminishes rapidly with rinsing and the total time where the 
concentration of phenol is of concern also diminishes.  The more water the 
better.  This is true doe almost anything, whether it is phenol, HF, etc. 
Fred Simmons
Chemical Management Center
Savannah River Nuclear Solutions


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Date:   07/29/2011 05:31 PM
Subject:        [DCHAS-L] Phenol/cresol first aid question
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We had an email inquiry in our MSDS Questions mailbox today that I thought 
would be worth discussing on the list.

This person was contemplating the instructions for skin exposure on the 
MSDS's for phenol, cresol and related materials.  The MSDS's generally say 
to flush immediately with water while removing affected clothing, but his 
concern was that rinsing immediately with water would present more of a 
health hazard because doing so would further spread phenol-laden water 
over a larger area of the body, giving a wider/systemic exposure.   He was 
suggesting that spilled material should first be wiped off the skin using 
a towel/tissue and then use water.

My thoughts on this are 
1. His proposal adds an extra step, and with phenols any delay is 
dangerous.
2. The person is either going to have to stop and put on gloves (see item 
1) or else risk further skin exposure on the hands.
3. The phenol-laden rinse water is going to be very quickly flushed away 
and have little chance to absorb.  It does not
     seem likely that rinsate could pose a serious systemic threat, and 
any threat it does pose pales in comparison to a delay.

Does anyone have any thoughts/comments to add for our reply to this 
question?

Thanks,

Rob Toreki

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The take-home message that I've always used when it comes to cleansing the skin after contact is:  "The Solution is Dilution!"

The assumption that phenol laden water is created is correct, however, the concentration diminishes rapidly with rinsing and the total time where the concentration of phenol is of concern also diminishes.  The more water the better.  This is true doe almost anything, whether it is phenol, HF, etc.

Fred Simmons
Chemical Management Center
Savannah River Nuclear Solutions


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Date:        07/29/2011 05:31 PM
Subject:        [DCHAS-L] Phenol/cresol first aid question
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We had an email inquiry in our MSDS Questions mailbox today that I thought would be worth discussing on the list.

This person was contemplating the instructions for skin exposure on the MSDS's for phenol, cresol and related materials.  The MSDS's generally say to flush immediately with water while removing affected clothing, but his concern was that rinsing immediately with water would present more of a health hazard because doing so would further spread phenol-laden water over a larger area of the body, giving a wider/systemic exposure.   He was suggesting that spilled material should first be wiped off the skin using a towel/tissue and then use water.

My thoughts on this are
1. His proposal adds an extra step, and with phenols any delay is dangerous.
2. The person is either going to have to stop and put on gloves (see item 1) or else risk further skin exposure on the hands.
3. The phenol-laden rinse water is going to be very quickly flushed away and have little chance to absorb.  It does not
     seem likely that rinsate could pose a serious systemic threat, and any threat it does pose pales in comparison to a delay.

Does anyone have any thoughts/comments to add for our reply to this question?

Thanks,

Rob Toreki

  ======================================================
Safety Emporium - Lab & Safety Supplies featuring brand names
you know and trust.  Visit us at http://www.SafetyEmporium.com
esales**At_Symbol_Here**safetyemporium.com  or toll-free: (866) 326-5412
Fax: (856) 553-6154, PO Box 1003, Blackwood, NJ 08012

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