From: Ken Kretchman <kwkretch**At_Symbol_Here**NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] First aid for Chemical exposures
Date: April 18, 2012 10:56:21 AM EDT
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A great point made here by Harry and very well put. Years ago at a private industry research lab we had to ask (insist that) a highly respected chemical safety instructor who many of you would know by name to please refrain from giving detailed medical treatment information at classes conducted for our research staff on chemical safety. Some of the information he conveyed to the class was not appropriate and was in conflict with the treatment protocol described by our site occ physician.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Harry Elston <helston**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:

So are any number of us on this list, George.

However. I do not believe that one would need specific training for FIRST AID beyond what you find in open source literature. Anything beyond rinse and EMS (and perhaps Ca gluconate for HF) gets dangerously close to TREATMENT, which is beyond the scope of most.
Regarding calcium gluconate on HF, I believe that one will find that as a first aid measure in the Honeywell HF reference booklet.

It is recognized that there are other washes available (e.g. Diphoterine, Hexafluorine) that are gaining traction, especially outside the US. Alan Hall can speak more cogently about that than I can. The peer-reviewed case studies using these solutions is mounting in a positive direction.

A couple of take home messages for first aid:

1. Water and lots of it.
2. Don't be a chemist on someone else's skin or eyes. Or your own for that matter.
3. Leave TREATMENT to the pros. Think standard of care here.

Get your EHS group to run some exposure drills and honestly critique the outcome if you want some fun! You "can" hire it out, but everyone still needs to be involved for it to be meaningful.


sent from my Samsung Captivate

On Apr 18, 2012 7:15 AM, "george wahl" <ghw917**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:
Jim Kaufman would give you excellent training!

George Wahl

On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Humphrey, Karalyn J. wrote:

My department chair wants to have a training that specifically addresses first aid for chemical exposures. Does anyone know of someone who might be certified/qualified to come and lead such a training?
Dr. Karalyn (Karen) Humphrey
Laboratory Coordinator, Department Safety Officer & Part-Time Lecturer
Baylor University Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry
Office: BSB E.111
"Vast worlds lie within the hollows of each atom, multifarious as the motes in a sunbeam." ~Yoga Vasishtha

Director, Environmental Health and Safety
NC State University
Raleigh, NC 27695-8007

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