From: ACTSNYC**At_Symbol_Here**CS.COM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] UC - LADA Agreement
Date: August 2, 2012 10:42:44 PM EDT
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Ken, Thanks for sharing.   I'll tell you another California story.  Way back in the early 1990s I had a contract to travel to several California state universities to do a series of Title 8 right to know trainings for art departments.  At one school, I was met by the department Chair who looked over my training outline and crossed off the items they were not in compliance with yet.  He told me I couldn't talk about these or they wouldn't pay me. 

I told him either I did the whole thing as planned or I'd leave, bill him anyway, and drop a dime to CalOSHA.  Sadly, he folded.  It would have made a much better story if I would have had to carry out my threat.

But the fact that he even THOUGHT that that was acceptable was beyond me.


In a message dated 8/2/2012 7:46:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smith.j.k**At_Symbol_Here**SBCGLOBAL.NET writes:

Well said Monona,

In my experience with one well known California University, a good share of the negative response I got was from the department head.  As a Ca//OSHA IH, I was infringing on his authority and he let me know about it.  In this case, we had to threaten the regents with a court action before we got any progress.  Their EHS group had no teeth, only advisory.  It was a few years ago and I hope they are now better.

Someone who seemed to have a good relationship between their EHS and school administration took issue with your statement.  They are fortunate to have a good working with the administration and be able to use their knowledge to get a good health and safety program that has some teeth.  I hope that the majority of higher learning institutions have it so good also, but I doubt it.

This [DCHAS] blog is a great way to compare outlooks with others and is very educational.  Keep it up folks!

Ken Smith [a CIH before retirement]


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