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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] LADA Agreement (and working safely as a condition of employment)
Date: August 9, 2012 9:47:55 AM EDT
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I'm going to stand with Monona here and repeat that this has to be about creating more effective (lab) safety programs.  If we don't like the result, what are we going to do differently.
Unless colleges and universities accept the principle that "working safely is a condition of employment" they will never have the best possible (lab) safety programs.   ... Jim
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In a message dated 8/9/2012 12:00:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, LISTSERV**At_Symbol_Here** writes:
So I say yet again, we should only be discussing one thing:  How to make safety personnel and their programs more effective.  For example, since lack of training was an issue in the UCLA case, how are people planning to get everyone trained and regularly updated?  An untrained person is a school's weak link.  If nobody wants to enforce attendance, I'd be interested in what alternate strategies people are using and how is that working out.

Look, if everyone just wants to share glowing words about the life and mission of academic safety people and not even discuss making changes in these hallowed programs, fine--I'll back off and wait for the next accident. But I'm not blind. I can see that in most of the schools in which I work the programs are not working.  And it is especially dangerous in the art and theater departments--appalling actually.

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