From: Lucy M Moses <lmmoses**At_Symbol_Here**VCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Advice on our new science building
Date: October 8, 2012 5:06:01 PM EDT
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Samuella B. Sigmann <sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:
Hi Nancy

A keyed service elevator for sure. Ours got nixed when we ran out of money and I miss it every day. Moving chemicals, moving waste, moving tanks should all be done in an elevator that is not for people and that one can have complete control over.

On 10/8/2012 2:34 PM, Richardson, Nancy A wrote:

We are building a new building that will house health sciences, physics, biology, and chemistry. It will be mainly a teaching building with classrooms, teaching labs and faculty office areas. We may have a few small research areas here and there. We chemists will have the top(fourth) floor for our 6-8 teaching labs, chemical storage, and office area along with one or two small seminar/meeting rooms for around 24 people. I teach as well as do safety and so I am trying to give the best safety advice in the design as I can, but feel rather inadequate for the task. I wonder if others have some advice to offer. As we design the layouts for the rooms, certain particular questions have arisen and I was wondering what others' experiences have been with some of the following aspects or other aspects that have not surfaced yet:

1. Are ductless hoods a reasonable choice for some/all teaching labs? I am most concerned with the great variety of materials that the organic labs use. They tend to do different experiments every time through the course and I think it might be hard to ensure the filters were always adequate. Also, other teaching labs get used for research(that uses all different materials) from time to time when lab classes are not meeting. What opinion could any of you offer on ductless hoods? Are they ultimately cost effective? Are they maintenance intensive?

2. In planning teaching labs, there is a question as to whether all the students in a lab need to be under a hood for distillations of various types or working with other materials such as silica. The introductory chemistry class lab distills mouth wash in one experiment. Does the ethanol concentration in the air pose any actual risk or the menthol? Is there some law that says exactly what should be done under a hood? Could hexane, methylene chloride, and ether be outside of a hood, for example, with enough general room ventilation and how could these be monitored to ensure safe levels in the listed standards for some chemicals? The appendix in 1910.1450 suggests 2.5 ft person for hood space, but is this done in teaching lab design when one setup is shared by two or maybe four students? Would hood bonnets be a good alternative for some things?

3. Are there some chemically resistant AV projectors that could be placed into labs. We had wanted projectors in labs before, but since other metal(locks, fume hoods, the safety shower) in the labs had become corroded it was thought that projectors would not stand up to chemical exposure? Or with a good ventilation design will this not be an issue?

4. What about storing materials in labs? Now we have a good bit of storage within the teaching labs in our old building because there is no other place for it, but from what I can tell, there are limits on in lab storage of flammables even if there are flammable cabinets.

5. What is the practice with regard to receiving chemicals and transporting them to upper floors? I am especially concerned about gas cylinders.

Thank you in advance for any opinions and experience anyone has on these topics and with these issues and perhaps other building design issues.




Don't always believe what you think.

Samuella B. Sigmann, NRCC-CHO

Lecturer/Safety Committee Chair

A. R. Smith Department of Chemistry

Appalachian State University

525 Rivers Street

Boone, NC 28608

Phone: 828 262 2755

Fax: 828 262 6558

Email: sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**

Dear Nancy,

Regarding the ductless hoods, I wouldn't recommend them for Organic or anything that uses any toxic materials. We have them in our new General Chem labs, and have had to change many of the experiments from the ones that we did in the ducted hoods in the old labs. If you can have the fumes exhausted out of the room, definitely do that.

Check with your local fire marshal about how much flammable material can be stored in a room. I believe it may vary by locality.. Even if it doesn't, he/she should be able to let you know the maximum amount. The general rule is to keep the amounts to a minimum, but that's sometimes hard to do. Definitely have flammable cabinets, and depending on what you're storing, you may have to have them vented...

L. Meredith Moses
Assistant Professor
VCU Department of Chemistry
P.O. Box 842006
Richmond, VA 23284-2006

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