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Hello,

I am working on a proposal for a hierarchical system for safety in my university including safety committees. This is new fir my university, I would appreciate if you can provide some charters, examples, and experiences.
Thank you
Clara Rosalía Alvarez
Universidad de Sonora
Hermosillo, Mexico

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:00 PM, "DCHAS-L automatic digest system" wrote:

There are 9 messages totaling 1704 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Safety Committees
2. Question (5)
3. [NAOSMM] Items I'm not sure where to find...
4. CUHWC 2013 Call for Papers
5. Safety Committees_Thank You

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:33:34 -0500
From: Paul Harrison
Subject: Re: Safety Committees

I don't know if you're interested in Canadian institutions, but we broadly face the same issues so a quick response, more if you're interested. We basically have a hieracrchical system, which was historically built from the bottom up, but now incidents, minutes, etc. work their way through from the bottom and recieve oversight from the top.

We have a series of departmental safety committees.
The chairs of these go to Faculty level committees.
There is one University-wide central joint health and safety committee (which includes faculty level committee members)
We have a separate safety structure for our nuclear reactor, with a member on the central committee.
We have a separate Presidential Biosafety committee, with members on the central safety committee.
EOHSS sends staff members to everything, serving an advisory role, and in their remaining free time creates Risk Management Manual procedures for everything.

Somewhere there is a structural chart for all of this, if you're interested I'll try to find it amongst all the RMMs.

I have been involved in just about every aspect of this structure including its creation over 20+ years, but as I look back at it now, I don't doubt its value, but I still wonder if we're missing the point. Anyone else out there similarly worried about whether everyone is really safer?

Best,
Paul

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:01:04 +0000
Keane Leitch wrote:
Does anyone have department based safety committees (Chemistry, Physics, Biology) at their institution? If so, what is the role of the safety committee and how does it interface with Environmental Health & Safety. Do charters exist for each committee and would anyone mind sharing an example?

Thanks
Keane

Keane Leitch
Safety Manager
Physical Sciences Facilities Management
121 baker Lab
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-255-8773 (Office)
607-255-4137 (Fax)
607-592-7079 (Mobile)
Keane.Leitch**At_Symbol_Here**cornell.edu/ kjl44**At_Symbol_Here**cornell.edu

Paul Harrison
Associate Professor of Chemistry
Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology
McMaster University
1280 Main St. W., Hamilton, ON, L8S 4M1, Canada
Phone: (905)525-9140 ext. 27290; FAX: (905)522-2509

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:53:03 -0500
From: Peter Zavon
Subject: Re: Question

However, I suspect I am not the only one who finds LinkedIn to be a royal
pain.


Peter Zavon, CIH
Penfield, NY

PZAVON**At_Symbol_Here**Rochester.rr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of
Dave Einolf
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:05 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Question

We are on LinkedIn. Ralph posts much of this religiously. I am the group
administrator.

It would be wonderful (and easy on my inbox as well) if we could move
everything there.

http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4036726

All, please join.

Regards,

Dave

DAVE EINOLF
Managing Director
Endeavour EHS, LLC
4207 SE Woodstock Blvd, Suite 321
Portland OR 97206-6267
www.endeavourehs.com

971.678.8111 (w)
912.717.1533 (fax)
dave**At_Symbol_Here**endeavourehs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of
Karen Salazar
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:43 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Question

I really enjoy contributing to this group. When registering for the ACS, I
think I inadvertently picked it as one of my divisions. Even though I don't
have a background in Chemical Safety, your questions have given me the
opportunity to improve my reference and online search skills. There is a
lot of wonderful information exchanged between group members, and I learn a
lot. However, my inbox does fill up when there is a particularly popular
topic. For this reason, I thought I would propose that perhaps the
conversations might flow better by moving this group to a site such as
LinkedIn. I in no way profit from proposing this, but I do participate on
the site, and have had many good discussions about topics that are important
to me. I could easily see this group prosper there.

For your consideration,
Karen

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:53:29 -0600
From: Karen Salazar
Subject: Re: Question

Rob,
I understand the desire to protect privacy. I joined LinkedIn with my eyes open, but I have my reasons for doing so. I did not realize that a LinkedIn group already existed. I will definitely sign up for the digest.

Karen


On Feb 11, 2013, at 1:39 PM, ILPI Support wrote:

I eschew Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter and most "social media" because I am not ready to surrender my privacy to soulless corporations. As just one example, just about every major web page you visit has a web bug on it that tells Facebook you're visiting there - they can track you even if you're not a member, and I find that behavior outrageous. Right now, nobody will know if you simply read a post on DCHAS's web site or email list. If you go to one of these platforms, your every move is logged, tracked, analyzed, and used to profile you. I value my (relative) anonymity; other than posts to this list, I don't leave crumbs and tidbits on the Internet for marketers or worse (I had the pleasure of my own personal sociopath from years ago). Facebook's and others' hidden bugs are mapped in my computer's .hosts file so they don't phone home.

I agree that such platforms can be useful. But there's an old joke that ends "sir, we've already determined what your wife is, now we're just haggling over the price." And, sadly, very few people realize exactly what price they have paid by signing up for these services.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/facebook-reveals-its-evil-plans-203126
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/091610-social-networks.html
http://evildoerexposer.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/linkedin-is-evil-let-me-count-the-ways/
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2011-08-03-internet-tracking-mobile-privacy_n.htm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576508382675931492.html

This one is my favorite. It's not social media, but very much in the same vein: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

Call me paranoid, or buy me a tinfoil hat, but I can say with absolute certainty than any discussion group on one of those platforms won't have me as a member.

Rob Toreki

PS: DCHAS-L does have a digest version so you receive only one email per day that contains all of the day's posts. Send an email to Ralph if you want to sign up for that.

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On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Karen Salazar wrote:

I really enjoy contributing to this group. When registering for the ACS, I think I inadvertently picked it as one of my divisions. Even though I don't have a background in Chemical Safety, your questions have given me the opportunity to improve my reference and online search skills. There is a lot of wonderful information exchanged between group members, and I learn a lot. However, my inbox does fill up when there is a particularly popular topic. For this reason, I thought I would propose that perhaps the conversations might flow better by moving this group to a site such as LinkedIn. I in no way profit from proposing this, but I do participate on the site, and have had many good discussions about topics that are important to me. I could easily see this group prosper there.

For your consideration,
Karen

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:13:51 -0800
From: J & K Smith
Subject: Re: Question

Hi Ralph,
Please don't diminish the email content. I don't access the other types of
channels because of their presumed less privacy rules. I don't trust
facebook's privacy due to the published articles of using private
information illegally. LinkedIn I don't know much about, but I am not about
to go to it.

That said, I don't mind a lot of articles on email because they have so much
educational content. Too many outlets for such, in my mind, is a dilution
for the search for knowledge and a lot time is wasted in searching so many
sources when we already have a good source in email.

It is fine to use the other outlets, but keep the information on email also.
Ken Smith, former IH, now retired.


-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of
Secretary, ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:01 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Question

We are on LinkedIn. Ralph posts much of this religiously. I am the
group administrator.
I thought I would add some information to this:

Last year, in follow up to the CHAS web site upgrade that took effect in
August, I began exploring various options of Web 2.0 outreach for the
Division. I loosely define "Web 2.0" as Internet tools beyond e-mail and web
sites.

The challenge for those of us raised on the 1.0 version of the Web is to
understand the value added by Facebook, Linked-in and Twitter. After a few
months of tracking the three, I believe that they are distinct from the
opportunities provided by e-mail and web sites.

With the help of a local 20-something consultant, I have set up Twitter
feeds and contributed a variety of stories to the division Facebook and
Linked In pages. (These stories are web stories I come across incidental to
the events that are summarized at the pinboard site and via e-mail 3 times a
week.) They tend to be related to CH&S and academic laboratory science,
rather than reports of specific incidents. These items often come from other
Twitter feeds.

My observation is that Linked-in and Facebook provide outreach beyond the
current membership. Linked-in is able to present the topics discussed to a
more technical audience than Facebook, but it also requires additional
effort to visit the Linked in page and understand how it works to pursue
discussions. I think of Twitter as a headline service and Facebook as an
outreach tool for the general public.

With this in mind, I send the various items of interest I find to the
various outlets listed below based on my sense of each medium. This month,
we also began a pilot program of advertising the Division and its national
meeting workshops through Facebook and Google. This has resulted in more
traffic to the division's Facebook page and web site, although whether it
will result in more division members or workshop registrants remains to be
seen.

Anyway, I expect that the DCHAS-L list will continue to be an important
feature of the Division for the foreseeable future, although we don't want
to neglect the audiences that other media provide access to. People whose
curiosity has been piqued by the above discussion should visit the various
sites listed below to see what they look like. People who are content to
stick with Web 1.0 technologies will see the service continue. If you need
to control your Inbox load from DCHAS-L, let me know and I'll be glad to set
your subscription to DIGEST, which means that you'll get one summary e-mail
per day from the list.

Let me know if you have any questions about this.

- Ralph

Ralph Stuart
secretary**At_Symbol_Here**dchas.org
Secretary
Division of Chemical Health and Safety
American Chemical Society

Twitter feeds:
**At_Symbol_Here**acsdchas lab environmental health and safety news and issues **At_Symbol_Here**labsustain
laboratory environmental sustainability news and issues

Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ACS-Division-of-Chemical-Health-and-Safety-DCH
AS/184981281569450

Linked in:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4036726&trk=hb_side_g

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:08:37 +0000
From: "KRAMER, CONNIE"
Subject: Re: [NAOSMM] Items I'm not sure where to find...

Teresa,
McMaster-Carr is my go-to supplier for "industrial" needs. If you can't find it in their catalog, call them. They'll make it their mission to find it for you.
Connie

Connie Kramer, Lab Manager
Kent State University at Stark
6000 Frank Avenue NW
North Canton, OH 44720
330-244-3498
ckramer**At_Symbol_Here**kent.edu

"Nobody is bored when he is trying to make something that is beautiful, or to discover something that is true." --William Inge

From: naosmm-bounces**At_Symbol_Here**mailman.rice.edu [mailto:naosmm-bounces**At_Symbol_Here**mailman.rice.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Arnold
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:43 PM
To: DCHAS-L; NAOSMM
Subject: [NAOSMM] Items I'm not sure where to find...

Hello,
We have a new project that requires electroplating. Do you know of a good source of Copper sheets/strips and Conductive Silver Paint?

Thanks for any insight!

Teresa Arnold
George Fox University
Biology-Chemistry Lab Coordinator

tarnold**At_Symbol_Here**georgefox.edu
503-554-2724
Fax: 503-554-3884

414 N. Meridian St. #6144
Newberg, OR 97132

Current Board Member of the National Association of Scientific Materials Managers

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:37:14 -0500
From: Victoria Carhart
Subject: CUHWC 2013 Call for Papers

I was asked to disseminate this to the DCHAS list. CUHWC is the College and University Hazardous Waste Conference. We (University of Vermont) hosted it this previous summer, and there were many great presentations.

Victoria Carhart
University of Vermont
Risk Management & Safety
Lab Safety Coordinator


From: Peters, Adam (app5a)
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:28 AM
To: hazwasteforum: C/U HazWaste Forum
Subject: CUHWC 2013 Call For Papers

Hello everyone, and greetings from Charlottesville, Virginia!

Since the world didn't end back in December we need to start thinking about CUHWC 2013. We have a fantastic lineup of activities planned already, including a trip to Thomas Jefferson's Monticello and a reception at the cornerstone of his university, The Rotunda.

There have been several requests made that vendors not present at the conference and the 2013 CUHWC Steering Committee is committed making that a reality. In order for us to do that, however, we need your help.

Do you have a successful program that your peers could gain useful knowledge from?

Have you dealt with a situation that you learned a lot from and/or changed the way you operate as a result the of experience?

Do you have a really excellent war story?

If you answered "yes" to any of these questions (or even if you didn't) we want to hear from you.

Your 2013 College and University Hazardous Waste Conference

is now accepting proposals for presentations.

New this year:

Conference registration fees will be completely waived for speakers! You read that correctly - FREE REGISTRATION FOR SPEAKERS!

We will feature poster sessions. If you have something to share but it won't take 45 minutes to say, or if standing in front of a room full of people isn't your thing, a poster session may be just the ticket for you. (Poster session presenters will receive 50% off his/her registration fee.)

Speakers who's accepted abstracts are submitted by the submission deadline of February 28, 2013, will receive a personalized speaker's gift. (Those submitted after the deadline will receive the same gift, but not personalized)

Topics that have been specifically requested by conference members:

• Waste Contract Management

• Regulated Medical Waste

• Waste Software

• EHS in Small Departments

• Managing Chemical Inventory

• Art Department Hazardous Waste

• Waste Reduction/Minimization

• Nano Waste

• Controlled Substances/DEA

• SPCC/USTs

• Spill Cleanup Practices

• Lessons Learned

Other topics of interest:

Anything! If you think it's interesting, chances are your peers are going to think so too.

Please e-mail your one or two paragraph abstract(s) to Adam Peters at adam**At_Symbol_Here**virginia.edu with "CUHWC abstract" in the subject line.

Deadline for submissions: February 28, 2013.

Thank you very much and we look forward to seeing you in Charlottesville this August!

Your 2013 CUHWC Steering Committee

http://www.cuhwc.net/


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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:12:08 -0500
From: Monona Rossol
Subject: Re: Question


I love your posts, Rob. I disagree a lot, but you are clear and interesting.

I'm on the other side on this one. I also do not want to sound paranoid, but I have been surveiled since the bomb went off in 1968 at the U of W and I just don't mind. In fact, I would be worried about our country if they had not interviewed me. I knew two of the bombers, was a chemist, and am familiar with pyrotechnics. I knew absolutely nothing about these guys' crazy plan, but law enforcement should keep an eye on someone with my profile. Besides, they were (maybe still are) using their equipment and manpower to amass detailed evidence that I'm not up to anything. I can FOIA what they have if my memory fails.

The only disadvantage is that it sometimes slows me down at airports. To make things worse, I failed the explosive residue hand wipe once. That day I had checked a magazine for expired pyro effects. This encounter with TSA was rather intimate to say the least. And she never called or wrote.

The computer surveillance is even more astounding. One of my best friends is a government worker facing a whistleblower trial soon. Well before she moved out of her government office, her computer technician was looking for a problem and stumbled into a massive hidden file of e-mails going back years. These e-mails were not only hers, but included the addresses to which her regular contacts sent e-mails TO OTHER PEOPLE! I was incredulous. In fact, I thought she had slipped a cog. She challenged me to provide the first few letters of the e-mail addresses of people I had contacted in the last year--people she couldn't possibly know--and she would complete them for me. She did this by return mail.

So try to keep your privacy if it makes you feel better. But I think they are so far ahead of us it is probably only wear and tear on your nervous system. If it means others also collect information on what I buy, where I go, and what I do there, mazltov. Put it on the front page of the NY Times if you like. And while I'm at it, I'd really like to see surveillance cameras covering every street here in NYC and any other city I visit. They catch the bad guys--and clear the innocent. Hopefully these cameras will be upgraded to make clearer images soon. I'm very photogenic.


Monona


-----Original Message-----
From: ILPI Support
To: DCHAS-L
Sent: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Question


I eschew Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter and most "social media" because I am not ready to surrender my privacy to soulless corporations. As just one example, just about every major web page you visit has a web bug on it that tells Facebook you're visiting there - they can track you even if you're not a member, and I find that behavior outrageous. Right now, nobody will know if you simply read a post on DCHAS's web site or email list. If you go to one of these platforms, your every move is logged, tracked, analyzed, and used to profile you. I value my (relative) anonymity; other than posts to this list, I don't leave crumbs and tidbits on the Internet for marketers or worse (I had the pleasure of my own personal sociopath from years ago). Facebook's and others' hidden bugs are mapped in my computer's .hosts file so they don't phone home.


I agree that such platforms can be useful. But there's an old joke that ends "sir, we've already determined what your wife is, now we're just haggling over the price." And, sadly, very few people realize exactly what price they have paid by signing up for these services.


http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/facebook-reveals-its-evil-plans-203126
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/091610-social-networks.html
http://evildoerexposer.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/linkedin-is-evil-let-me-count-the-ways/
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2011-08-03-internet-tracking-mobile-privacy_n.htm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576508382675931492.html


This one is my favorite. It's not social media, but very much in the same vein: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml


Call me paranoid, or buy me a tinfoil hat, but I can say with absolute certainty than any discussion group on one of those platforms won't have me as a member.


Rob Toreki


PS: DCHAS-L does have a digest version so you receive only one email per day that contains all of the day's posts. Send an email to Ralph if you want to sign up for that.

======================================================
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you know and trust. Visit us at http://www.SafetyEmporium.com
esales**At_Symbol_Here**safetyemporium.com or toll-free: (866) 326-5412
Fax: (856) 553-6154, PO Box 1003, Blackwood, NJ 08012

On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Karen Salazar wrote:


I really enjoy contributing to this group. When registering for the ACS, I think I inadvertently picked it as one of my divisions. Even though I don't have a background in Chemical Safety, your questions have given me the opportunity to improve my reference and online search skills. There is a lot of wonderful information exchanged between group members, and I learn a lot. However, my inbox does fill up when there is a particularly popular topic. For this reason, I thought I would propose that perhaps the conversations might flow better by moving this group to a site such as LinkedIn. I in no way profit from proposing this, but I do participate on the site, and have had many good discussions about topics that are important to me. I could easily see this group prosper there.

For your consideration,
Karen


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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:28:40 +0000
From: Keane Leitch
Subject: Safety Committees_Thank You

Just a note of thanks to those of you who responded to my inquiry on safety committees. The information provided was incredibly helpful and the offers to serve as resources much appreciated.

Thanks
Keane

Keane Leitch
Safety Manager
Physical Sciences Facilities Management
121 baker Lab
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-255-8773 (Office)
607-255-4137 (Fax)
607-592-7079 (Mobile)
Keane.Leitch**At_Symbol_Here**cornell.edu/ kjl44**At_Symbol_Here**cornell.edu

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:13:49 -0500
From: Monona Rossol
Subject: Re: Question


Please don't move everything to Linked In since I just don't like it and won't access it. As for Face book, I have all the friends I need and really don't care if people like me or not. Do what ever suits you all as long as the lovely google list of chemical accidents still arrives by plain old e-mail for us fogies.


Monona

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Zavon
To: DCHAS-L
Sent: Tue, Feb 12, 2013 8:15 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Question


However, I suspect I am not the only one who finds LinkedIn to be a royal
pain.


Peter Zavon, CIH
Penfield, NY

PZAVON**At_Symbol_Here**Rochester.rr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of
Dave Einolf
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:05 PM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Question

We are on LinkedIn. Ralph posts much of this religiously. I am the group
administrator.

It would be wonderful (and easy on my inbox as well) if we could move
everything there.

http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4036726

All, please join.

Regards,

Dave

DAVE EINOLF
Managing Director
Endeavour EHS, LLC
4207 SE Woodstock Blvd, Suite 321
Portland OR 97206-6267
www.endeavourehs.com

971.678.8111 (w)
912.717.1533 (fax)
dave**At_Symbol_Here**endeavourehs.com


-----Original Message-----
From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of
Karen Salazar
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:43 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Question

I really enjoy contributing to this group. When registering for the ACS, I
think I inadvertently picked it as one of my divisions. Even though I don't
have a background in Chemical Safety, your questions have given me the
opportunity to improve my reference and online search skills. There is a
lot of wonderful information exchanged between group members, and I learn a
lot. However, my inbox does fill up when there is a particularly popular
topic. For this reason, I thought I would propose that perhaps the
conversations might flow better by moving this group to a site such as
LinkedIn. I in no way profit from proposing this, but I do participate on
the site, and have had many good discussions about topics that are important
to me. I could easily see this group prosper there.

For your consideration,
Karen

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