From: Zack Mansdorf <mansdorfz**At_Symbol_Here**BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Use of fire resistant lab coat
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:20:26 -0400
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ASTM F23 Committee has a bevy of standards and guides for for flame resistant clothing.

Search under ASTM F23

Zack Mansdorf

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On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:08 PM, NEAL LANGERMAN <neal**At_Symbol_Here**CHEMICAL-SAFETY.COM> wrote:

Applied retardants wash out of the fabric quickly.  I urge you NOT to go this route as you really will not know the level of protection after 1 or 2 washings.


Aramid fibers such as Nomex are your best choice.  Contact WorkRite ( and discuss w/ them.  Make sure you get really small and really large sizes to accommodate your outliers






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From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Wilhelm, Monique
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Use of fire resistant lab coat


Hello Everyone,


I love this discussion as we are also being told that ALL of our lab coats, regardless of the lab, have to be flame resistant this Fall.  Does anyone know of someone who works for a manufacturer that treats the coats?  Does anyone know of any tests that have been performed on the resistivity of the coating to various lab solvents (acids, bases, organics, halogenated solvents).  The cost is not an issue for me, but the comfort level and durability is.




Monique Wilhelm

Laboratory Supervisor/Adjunct Lecturer/Chem Club Co-Advisor

Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry

University of Michigan-Flint

Flint, MI 48502





From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Frankie Wood-Black
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Use of fire resistant lab coat


Most industrial laboratories in the petrochemical industry have gone to that requirement.

Due to the changes in many of the freshman and sophomore - general chemistry labs - I would say no to regular use in a general laboratory course.  


But as for research and upper division, I don't see the big change - I don't even thing there is a significant difference in cost anymore between a non-FR and FR laboratory coat - so wouldn't not sure finances are a big deterrent.   


FR is becoming very easy to obtain - TSC, Hardware stores and in Midland Texas and in North Dakota - the corner gas station.  So - requiring FR for a person regularly using flammable materials in the laboratory - is not a big stretch.  




On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Ralph B. Stuart <ralph.stuart**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:

A question I'm wondering about as we as a professional community consider the aftermath of the UCLA lab fire and its legal follow up is whether there is a reason beyond finances to not use fire resistant lab coats in the lab setting. I recognize that both the initial and maintenance costs associated with fire resistant coats are significantly higher than alternatives, but I wonder if there are other disadvantages associated with their use.

Thanks for any information about this.

- Ralph

Ralph Stuart, CIH CCHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Department of Environmental Health and Safety
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14850




Frankie Wood-Black, Ph.D., REM, MBA

Principal - Sophic Pursuits

6855 Lake Road

Ponca City, OK 74604


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