From: Debbie M. Decker <dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lesson learned video - but what about student labs?
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:52:52 +0000
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Proper lab attire is covered legs and covered feet - including the space between the sock and the bottom edge of the pant. If a person favors skirts, then they need to wear a long skirt and boots to cover the legs - both standing and seated. One of my staff people favors skirts and leather boots. 

My current rant is about leggings (glorified tights) as "pants."  We're making progress to effect change but its slow.

Debbie Decker
UC Davis
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On Nov 15, 2014, at 11:52 AM, "Jarral Ryter" <jryter**At_Symbol_Here**WESTERN.EDU> wrote:

I was curious how many schools require labcoats. And a step down, are dresses/shorts/skirts allowed with coats? And then if not, pants shoes and full goggle or glasses. The recommendation here said skirts? . I'm thinking of general chemistry with "tame" labs.

Jarral Ryter

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-------- Original message --------
From: Zack Mansdorf
Date:11/14/2014 9:41 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lesson learned video - but what about student labs?

Technically, there is no impervious apron.  This applies to all chemical protective clothing.  There are water, acid and chemically resistant aprons.



S.Z. Mansdorf, PhD, CIH, CSP, QEP

Consultant in EHS and Sustainability

7184 Via Palomar

Boca Raton, FL  33433





From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Patricia Redden
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Lesson learned video - but what about student labs?


SACL recommends impervious aprons for students in lab, with long sleeves and long pants or skirts.


Pat Redden


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Lindsey Kayman <lindsey.kayman**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:

Great video!  The video focused on people in research areas, but I'm
wondering how institutions are dealing with the logistics of lab costs
for students in teaching labs? What about lab courses where there is
only infrequent, incidental use of corrosives and other chemicals?

We are having logistical issues lab coats for these courses and are
considering providing reusable community disposable coats for
specified student lab protocols.



Lindsey Kayman, CIH
John Jay College of Criminal Justice

> On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:16 AM, "Secretary, ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety" <secretary**At_Symbol_Here**DCHAS.ORG> wrote:
> Lesson learned video: An acid spill without a lab coat
> “I probably would not have thought to go to the hallway right away, if someone wasn’t there to point me in the direction. I probably would have run around the lab trying to remember where the shower is, knowing full well that there wasn’t one in there.”
> “It was a freak accident in terms of it shouldn’t have shot out at me. But if I would have been wearing my lab coat, probably almost 99% chance it would have never contacted my skin, just would’ve had to get the lab coat off really quickly.”
> “I remember in undergrad, it was a huge thing: Always wear your lab coat, that’s what I was taught. It was definitely something I was taught here as well during training and all that. It’s what I started doing. But as time went on and I looked at different people in lab and other labs, there’s actually a number of people who don’t wear their lab coats, actually a much greater number than I was ever expecting, which is not something I was used to at all. So at times, especially during the summer when it got really hot, there was times when I knew what I was doing so I just wouldn’t put it on. I sweat very easily and that just made it worse. It’s just one of the things. Especially at the end of the day, I just didn’t think to use my lab coat and I thought I’d be really quick. But clearly no matter what I’m doing in the lab I should’ve been wearing it, as everyone should.”


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