From: Peter Zavon <pzavon**At_Symbol_Here**>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [UK OFFICIAL] Transport of dangerous chemicals
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:15:25 -0500
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Anyone who has the required level of training that George mentioned will already know to go to those references for packaging guidance. Anyone who needs to be pointed to those references probably lacks the necessary training and should be referred to a qualified specialist, rather than told to do a look up in the table of dangerous goods.


The original question came from the UK. I am confident there are numerous Dangerous Goods Advisors there ready to provide the needed services as consultants. That is the appropriate path to follow, even for dangerous goods that combine radioactivity with chemical hazards. In that case, of course, the number of qualified consultants will be much reduced.



Peter Zavon, CIH
Penfield, NY





From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of George Walton
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [UK OFFICIAL] Transport of dangerous chemicals


As in previous post, look in International Air Transport Association (IATA) for the correct basic description (UN Id number / Proper shipping name / hazard class / packing group).  That section (4.2) is printed on blue pages.  Then go to the three digit packing instructions, the yellow pages.  IATA not only lists the necessary information but has some very good go-by photographs of what proper packaging and documentation looks like.  Also as above, check the training requirements (section 1.5 in IATA) before signing the shipper's declaration.  If this is an air shipment, TSA / FAA is pretty aggressive in fining both the shipper and the transporter.  Finally, look at the very end of the IATA regulations.  There are check lists of requirements and the citation in IATA that should make the entire operation rather straight forward (if any international regulations are ever straight forward).


George C. Walton, CHMM

Reactives Management Corporation

1025 Executive Blvd., Suite 101

Chesapeake, VA  23320

(757) 436-1033


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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 3:29 PM
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In same way-


I try to know how it possible to send hydrogen peroxide 50% from Canada to US?  If someone have an issue, it would be appreciated!



Karine Martel
Superviseure du laboratoire / Laboratory Supervisor


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You might want to contact the US DOE.  They have methods in place for shipping highly radioactive solids and fluids, many of which are also highly corrosive.  Their containers might be adaptable for your purpose if there is no issue of chemical incompatibility.



Michael Kleinman, Professor

University of California Department of Medicine

Division of Environmental and Occupational Medicine

100 Theory

Ste 100

Irvine CA 92697-1830

949-824-4765 Phone

949-824-2070 Fx


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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:23 AM
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I am pretty familiar with Edgewood from my days there in uniform.  This could be more complicated than just a highly toxic material.  If the discussion would not be classified, I might suggest you contact Andy Altemos at HMT Associates.  He is a leading expert in hazardous materials shipping (has a shipping consulting business) whom I have worked with (fee for service).


Good luck



S.Z. Mansdorf, PhD, CIH, CSP, QEP

Consultant in EHS and Sustainability

7184 Via Palomar

Boca Raton, FL  33433







From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Margaret Rakas
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] [UK OFFICIAL] Transport of dangerous chemicals


Dear Dr. Williams,


You may want to contact 

+44 (0) 151 653 1500


They provide packaging for regulated materials and perhaps either can help you or send you to another vendor.  I use their affiliate in the US and once I have classified the shipment, they are very willing to work with me to find the right type of packaging.  We have some samples that are not in the usual type of container and they have some very innovative packaging which has been helpful to us.


Good luck!





On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Williams Gareth R <GRWILLIAMS**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:

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Fellow scientists and safety professionals across the pond,


I work for the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (part of the UK Ministry of Defence).  We are essentially the UK version of DoD's Edgewood Chemical & Biological centre.


It doesn't take much imagination to know that we work with quantities of high-hazard, acutely toxic materials, all of which fall under GHS Acute Toxicity Class 1.


My question is, how do I find a suitable UN approved container to transport 5g of an acutely toxic solid and 5g of an acutely toxic liquid from our synthesis laboratories to our analytical facility.  We used to use bespoke containers, but these are no longer an option as we cannot demonstrate that they are fit for purpose.  We would therefore like to source a commercial solution.


Any ideas?


Grateful for any help,




Gareth R. Williams PhD

Dstl Porton Down

United Kingdom


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