From: Neil Edwards <Neil.Edwards**At_Symbol_Here**LIU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:25:48 +0000
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In a Facebook post on Friday, another student at the school claimed that she had been injured in January 2014 in a similar (or perhaps the same) classroom demo. If that claim is true, the school administration has a lot to answer for.

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On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Laurence Doemeny > wrote:

Rob et al.,
The thing about Frontline and 60 Minutes is they cover a larger issue than just one demonstration. These past few years educational institutions from primary schools through to graduate schools have experienced significant debilitating incidents and deaths. The ACS through its committees and divisions have addressed the subject and distributed the information but to a limited audience. Local media, with the help of local sections, is one approach to get some of the information to the general public but the investigative reporting is a compressive approach to the problems. Assistance from the NSF, NIH and the Department of Education should be considered in the campaign for safer science education.

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Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6

I'm already rolling on that. I started work last night to get a group of people together who would be the go-to folks for the segment to comment on camera, outline the issue/history of it, etc. Basically prepackaging all the background footwork done that someone would need to do *exactly* that. I possibly have a media contact or two through some other channels. Anyone who wants to help compile the case histories etc. should contact me off list.

It is quite clear that we can't solve the issue our normal way - it is going to take some media attention so that administrators and parents push it. A limited email I sent out last night for initial feelers was titled "Let's get to the end of this rainbow once and for all". It makes a great story; I can imagine the tag lines now "invisible danger in the classroom", "your child at risk" etc.

The only question is the scope/scale. We obviously need to address all methanol/flame demos, but do we move beyond what has already been called for and go for an outright ban on using methanol etc.

Rob Toreki

On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Laurence Doemeny > wrote:

While training is helpful the real need is getting the information about the hazard to the teachers and administrators. Apparently some instructors don't know there is a problem.

My suggestion is for the ACS and teacher organizations to jointly contact local and national news media to have a segment on the dangers of some of these demonstrations and how to perform them safely. That should get parent and school administrators attention. This would make a nice PBS Frontline or 60 Minutes segment.

The Chemical Safety Board makes outstanding videos and excellent reports but their reach appears limited.

Laurence Doemeny

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Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6

This continues to beg for training for demonstrators...

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Date: Friday, October 30, 2015 at 3:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Chemistry classroom fire injures 6

I just showed the CSB video to our preteachers this week!
On 10/30/2015 4:00 PM, Harry J. Elston wrote:
Bang Head Here ---> (Rainbow Experiment)


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Jyllian Kemsley > wrote:
"She was demonstrating the experiment ... with the different elements causing the fire to change color, and as the fire was dying down she added more alcohol" <>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:25 AM, ILPI Support > wrote:
Figured this one couldn't wait for Monday's headlines: <>

Two are in serious condition (presumably with burns). No chemistry details yet. I think we all have a good guess at what was involved based on unfortunate past experiences, but let's sit tight until there is confirmation.

Rob Toreki

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