From: Jeffrey Lewin <jclewin**At_Symbol_Here**MTU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Campus Carry Laws and Research Laboratories
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:25:41 -0500
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As others have posted, bullets, and the explosions that move them, are often not compatible in lab environments. However, as several have alluded to, the politics of "why hospitals but not research laboratories", "why auditoriums, but not teaching laboratories", "you can ban guns from research labs, but the 'bad guys' will ignore the rules", "if you ban firearms in a lab with hazards incompatible with bullets, then what security measures are you going to put in place to prevent everyone from carrying a firearm" are going to continue and unlikely addressable by EHS staff.

That said, I can think of conditions where the physical characteristics that might lead to preventing bringing a firearm that meets those characteristics into a research space: spaces where ferrous objects create a safety hazard or interfere with activities, such as measuring magnetic fields; other materials of a firearm, such as synthetic stocks, that might be a hazard if someone catches their clothes on fire; prohibiting shiny objects in class 4 laser facilities, the inability to clean or decontaminate a firearm prior to entering a clean facility, sterile field, or sensitive analytical laboratory; when the firearm or holster interferes with safety equipment (such as fall protection, rescue belts, etc.) or the ability to wear appropriate PPE.

It might be difficult to specially use those to single out firearms in a space, some of what I listed might be accommodated with different firearms or holsters, but at a minimum, it lays out that other safety and research requirements may trump the right to carry a weapon in specific well defined conditions.


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Casadonte, Dominick <DOMINICK.CASADONTE**At_Symbol_Here**> wrote:
Hi All,

This is the first time I have posted a question to the general community;
we are interested in your opinions and perspectives.

As many of you know, the State of Texas passed a concealed carry law
during the last legislative session. While universities cannot declare an
entire public university a =C5=82gun-free zone=CB=9B, certain areas can be declared
gun free. Hospital and child care facilities, as well as public
auditoriums and Board of Regents rooms have often been exempted at other
state universities.

At Texas Tech, our Institutional Laboratory Safety Committee has been
exploring under what conditions certain laboratory or research areas
should be declared gun free. So as not to bias the discussion, I will not
tell you where we are heading. But it did raise to my mind the question
that with a number of states now adopting similar laws, should EH&S
professionals be brought into the discussion at a national level?

What do you all think about this? Should all synthesis labs be gun free?
Should only certain areas, like NMR facilities or areas with high magnetic
fields, or areas with cryogenic tanks, be gun free? What about flammables?
Labs with pyrophoric materials?

I am copying Matt Roe, our head of EH&S, to this discussion thread, so
that a couple of us can follow the comments.


Dom Casadonte
Texas Tech University

Jeff Lewin
Departmental Laboratory Supervisor
Biological Sciences
Michigan Technological University

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