From: Dr Bob <drbob**At_Symbol_Here**FLOWSCIENCES.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ? re Lead Acetate
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 16:15:01 +0000
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Hi Monica and Bruce!

 

Fume hoods are frustratingly ordered frequently without the input of those who will use the equipment.  Sometimes this is inevitable because people are only hired after the lab is in place! There are ways to get existing hoods to operate under "new" conditions; they include consultants, discussions with the hood manufacturer, and involving both exhaust and make-up air in considering the non-conforming situation.

 

Containment tests are available with both powders and gases. Any consideration of what safety measures need to be incorporated must start with evaluation of the effectiveness of the containment.

 

There's lots of help out here!

 

Dr. Bob Haugen

Director of Product and Technology Development

Flow Sciences, Inc.

 

910 332 4878

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Monona Rossol
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 9:04 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ? re Lead Acetate

 

Bruce,  Very good point about the air flow being significantly above a standard hood face velocity.  Your point is backed up by the ACGIH's Industrial ventilation: a manual of recommended practice.  It requires 100 f/m for a standard spray booth unless they are spraying something like lead-bearing ceramic glazes when the number jumps to 400 f/m.   

 

Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist

President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.

Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE

181 Thompson St., #23

New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062

actsnyc**At_Symbol_Here**cs.com   www.artscraftstheatersafety.org


 

 

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From: Bruce Van Scoy <bvanscoy**At_Symbol_Here**TWC.COM>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Fri, Dec 8, 2017 5:28 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] ? re Lead Acetate

Monique,

Has air sampling for equivalent or more potent compounds been performed to verify the performance of the hoods, significantly above a standard hood face velocity measurement? 

If it has, then a respirator is NOT required.

If personal breathing zone samples have not been collected and the only performance verification of the fume hoods is face velocity measurements, then I would recommend respiratory protection until a potential exposure has been disproven.  I've found hoods that have actually been exhausting contaminated air back INTO a laboratory (the architect said it was impossible, but concurred after observing smoke generated from a theatrical generator inside of the hood push the fog back into the lab).  Additionally, I have validated lower flow rate ventilated balance safety enclosures controlling particulate emissions from potent pharmaceutical compounds measurements that have a much lower occupational exposure limit.  Lead acetate has a TLV-TWA of 0.05 mg cu m as Lead, and inorganic compounds, as Pb. 

Defining zero anymore is problematic, in the early days if we could measure at a low ppm level, we thought we were doing great.  Technology now allows us to quantify exposure levels at the nano- or pico- gram levels, amazing!  The key is to know the difference between quantification level vs. occupational hazard level - that is what drives the controls. 

Verify and/or measure and let the exposure results drive the respiratory protection requirement. 

My opinion only,

BruceV

 

From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Wilhelm, Monique
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:16 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] ? re Lead Acetate

 

Hello Everyone,

 

Need an expert opinion here.  One of my faculty was told by someone that she needs to use a full facepiece respirator to work with lead acetate.  I definitely understand the risks associated with lead, especially as a powder.  However, I am very confident in our hood function and her using the hood properly.  If she is doing her weighing in the hood, would lead acetate still warrant the use of a respirator?  Or, would I have to prove that we are keeping the exposure limits to zero to have her not use one?

 

Sigma's SDS Info on the compound:

 

 

Ventilation System: 
A system of local and/or general exhaust is recommended to keep employee exposures below the Airborne Exposure Limits. Local exhaust ventilation is generally preferred because it can control the emissions of the contaminant at its source, preventing dispersion of it into the general work area. Please refer to the ACGIH document, Industrial Ventilation, A Manual of Recommended Practices, most recent edition, for details. 


Personal Respirators (NIOSH Approved): 
If the exposure limit is exceeded, a half-face high efficiency dust/mist respirator may be worn for up to ten times the exposure limit or the maximum use concentration specified by the appropriate regulatory agency or respirator supplier, whichever is lowest. A full-face piece high efficiency dust/mist respirator may be worn up to 50 times the exposure limit, or the maximum use concentration specified by the appropriate regulatory agency or respirator supplier, whichever is lowest. For emergencies or instances where the exposure levels are not known, use a full-facepiece positive-pressure, air-supplied respirator. WARNING: Air-purifying respirators do not protect workers in oxygen-deficient atmospheres. 

 

Thank you for all of your wisdom.

 

Monique

_________________________________________________________

Monique Wilhelm, M.S., NRCC Certified CHO

ACS D-CHAS Secretary-Elect|2017 CERM E. Ann Nalley Award Recipient

Laboratory Manager|Adjunct Lecturer|Chemistry Club Advisor

Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry|University of Michigan-Flint

 

 

 

 

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