From: Zack Mansdorf <mansdorfz**At_Symbol_Here**BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:27:32 -0500
Reply-To: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
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Lots of good answers and comments on the benefits and downsides of installing drains (the ADA argument aside since it is BS). I suggest the collection of a few good stories for your management on what happens when you do not install drains. Your management can decide if they want to take the risks (but you need to provide them with some assessment of the cost/benefit for your institution).


Let me start the ball rolling. I know of a case of a level 3 lab contaminated by a broken valve on a safety shower where there was no floor drain. Also important was the shower was not in the level 3 lab but the water drained there. Cost was in the hundreds of thousands to remediate.



S.Z. Mansdorf, PhD, CIH, CSP, QEP

Consultant in EHS and Sustainability

7184 Via Palomar

Boca Raton, FL 33433





From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Melissa Anderson
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:21 AM
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance


Greetings Everyone,


We're working with architects right now to plan out chem labs for a new science building. We've asked for drains under the safety showers and were told that wouldn't be possible because in order to be ADA compliant and have drains, the safety showers would take up too much space- has anyone encountered such an argument? 


(Note, we're extremely constrained on space due to some very complicated politics I won't go into here, so making the labs bigger is not an option.)



Melissa Anderson


Pasadena City College

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